just with all of the leadership change in the last couple of years, the new women's basketball coach, new men's basketball coach, uh new a d of course a new basketball, new football coach, excuse me, what's it like you've been there for a while, but what's it like seeing like just the change in leadership and how fresh it is right now? It is exactly fresh. We've got new leadership across those three sports and then then myself, it is a new, like, new look Duke, Um which is really exciting, and we're we're bringing duke into this new modern era and and the next iteration of college athletics, whatever that might be. Um but listen, we've got a great group of folks, 350 employees and and 27 sports, we've got 20 head coaches and I'm really excited about the group of people that we have leading these student athletes who of course hasn't had a chance to play, have a game yet. But what have you seen from what he's done so far and how he's kind of acclimate himself amongst the campus, and then also with the players who have returned. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, he is visible engaged around campus and we saw him throwing first pitch out at baseball and softball, and he's really he's been around. Um and and really engaged across our whole department, which is exciting. Student athletes are having fun, They're really enthusiastic and ready to to compete this fall, which is really great and and coach Elko brought in an amazing staff. Um And so it's going to be a fun football season for sure. I want to ask you about changes that you've personally seen in your time in athletics and when somebody like Jon Scheyer comes to you and say, hey, I want a general manager for a position because of N I L. And what type of leeway are you giving coaches now, who want to create new positions to uh fit what college athletics is turning into, fitting what college athletics is turning into, but doing it in a Duke way. And so I've had a lot of conversations with a lot of our coaches and just making sure that we're adapting to the shifting landscape, but staying true to who we are at Duke, you know, we place a high priority on um an appropriate balance between academics and athletics and we're we're never gonna go away from that. We're not going to be purely athletics and not focused purely on frankly academics either. We need our student athletes to be very successful at both. Um and so far we've seen that, I mean, our our student athletes are crushing it in the classroom and and we're competing successfully. And so, you know, talking with our coaches about their vision for their individual programs and and how they can, you know, get to be the very best if they're not already at the pinnacle of their sport. I'm open to conversations to make sure that they have the resources they need to succeed? Um of course, is just a year old, a little bit over a year right now, How do you, how are you seeing Duke adjust to that? And how, what changes do you think needs to be made to adjust in the next couple of years? A lot of changes to adjust in the next couple of years, because right now, it's just the landscape, it's the Wild West, it's a little bit crazy. We don't have any rules. Um, and so everybody is, you know, it's, it's all about competitive advantage and and how can we get up one up on on each other. And so it's becoming a little bit, um, unruly out out in the landscape at Duke. Again, we're doing it in a very Duke like way. Um really pleased with um kind of the parameters, we have the guard rails, we have protecting our student athletes. I mean, that's first and foremost what we want to make sure that we're doing. Um, and so, you know, our student athletes are having opportunities to participate in N I L when, when they want to. Um, and, and I think it's a good thing, I think n I L in its purest form is a good thing for student athletes to be able to profit off their own name image and likeness, but just kind of, all of the unintended consequences and the, the activity that's a little bit shady around. It has, has become a challenge. I was talking to one of our field hockey players just this morning actually asking her if she was having N. I. L. Opportunities and she said yeah and pretty good for a field hockey player, she's been able to participate. So that's good. How do we build on that? How do we provide opportunities for for all of our student athletes in our olympic sports, not just football and men's and women's basketball to be able to make some money off of their N. I. L. Um And just my last question for you with the way that the big 10 and the sec are expanding and the difference in the money. And does that make you worried at all about the future of what football or basketball could even possibly be at Duke? Or do you think that it's one of those things where There always will be programs and conferences that will make a little bit more, everybody else will still be okay be. Yeah, I'm not worried. Listen, in the sec, we've got a great group of 14 football playing institutions and 15 across all the other sports. We've got great group of athletic directors. A. Cc. Leadership is fantastic. Um Commissioner Phillips has has great vision and is really helping us um guide the conference through a tumultuous time. Um and so I'm not worried, but again, you know, things are gonna shift the landscape is gonna change, it's been changing for you know, 20 plus years. Um, So change is good. We're gonna look a little bit different going into the future, but just I'm really comfortable with where we are, with what what Duke, where we're positioned because of our conference, the strength of our conference in the leadership.