Uh UN C system president and its Board of Governors. Uh where are we on the, you know, I'm calling it kind of colloquially the, the handcuffing of NC state and UN C to each other in conference realignment. Yeah. So today a committee approved the, the change in the language and this would give both the system president and the board kind of veto ability over conference realignment moves from any public in state schools. They haven't really brought this up even though a state and Charlotte and ECU have changed conferences. Uh But, you know, we're really talking about North Carolina and North Carolina State here. Um So we passed the committee today. It will still have to go before the full board of Governors and I suspect that will be at its next meeting likely next month. Um And yeah, this will give them the oversight, you know, the school. So let's just use North Carolina as an example. You would see we have to provide a financial plan to the board and to the president saying this is, you know, this is why we're doing it. This is what we think we're going to generate from switching to the SEC or the big 10 and then the president would have to approve it and even if the president approves that the board would then get an opportunity to vote it up or down. Um, yeah, certainly from the outside it looks like, uh, uh, a handcuffing of sorts. Uh, you know, the North Carolina as a state is very invested in the AC C, not only North Carolina and North Carolina State, but Duke and Wake and the number of events that the state hosts from the AC C, that probably wouldn't happen if, if the flagship schools went to the, went to the SEC or, or the big 10. Um But I also think that the board is sort of asserting itself in an oversight role like we saw this in California, right? The UCL A was already out the door before the board was like, whoa, what's going on here? And so I think this board just wants to be ahead of that. Will they be nimble enough to move the way that, that these boards have had to move when it comes to conference realignment? We'll see. Um, but I, I don't, I think having, with the committee having passed it, I think we're just a month away from the board passing it as well. Is, is, is there a precedent for this? Because, you know, we saw Oregon State and Oregon separate, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State separate. You brought up UCL A out the door before they tried to get, get their things in order. Uh Do other states have these types of agreements where the, the state schools are kind of uh moving as a pair? Well, and, you know, I think, I think you gave a lot of good examples of schools that have broken up. I mean, we saw that the CAL regions, I believe they're called in California, you know, require, are requiring UCL A to pay money to Cal Berkeley uh to help Cal Berkeley navigate the loss of money from the implosion of the PAC 12. I mean, the best example is, is in the AC C where Virginia was not allowed to vote for expansion unless that expansion included Virginia Tech. And now we're talking 20 years ago, but that was politics that got Virginia Tech into the AC C. It turned out to be a great move, I think for the league and for the school. But, but it was playing politics that got them in. I mean, we've seen, you know, there was a fight among us senators over which big 12, you know, whether West Virginia or Louisville was going to get in the big 12. So politics getting involved in these decisions is, is quite common. Um And we'll see, I mean, I'm still interested even if this goes into effect, I find it hard to believe that the, the board, the system president and, and the board would turn down the opportunity for one of their schools to collect 100 $100 million a year or whatever the case may be. Um So it'll be interesting even if, even if they put this in how it actually shakes out in the end, Brian Murphy Wrl, sports investigative reporter, uh last one for you and thank you for taking the time. Um How does this apply to maybe the, the I'm trying to think of the best way to describe this, the, the kind of gigantic culture shifting moves that might be coming. O obviously, it would apply to if they want to join the SEC or the big 10, we've seen other, other teams and programs go through that. But what if it's something like we have an invite to a 30 football team, non NCAA, you know, we're not leaving the AC C, we're leaving the NCAA just for a couple of sports. Does this apply to all of those things as well or just conference realignment? I, I would imagine it does, I'll have to read the proposal a little more closely. Um But it, it involves if you're changing athletic conferences. So, um I, I would imagine if there is the super tier one that, that the Super League is what I've started calling it, uh like in, like in soccer, if there's a group of 30 or 32 teams that decide to break off from the NCAA. Um It will be interesting to see, you know that Charlie Baker, the president of the NCAA has proposed this new tier one division like kind of on top of division one. And if the AC C, if all the AC C schools decide they don't want to do that, but, but state in Carolina decide they do want to do it. Would they need approval? I there's a lot of questions but I, I just think the board wants more say in, in what happens at these individual campuses, don't we? All? They could check with me and run, run it by me a few times. I, I'll give them the, the yes or the no, like uh the, the emperor and, and Gladiator just thumbs up or thumbs down on all moves. You gotta earn yourself an appointment to one of those boards apparently. And, and that won't be happening any time soon.