CONDITIONS. IT'S JUST >> I WELCOME BACK. I'M DAN HAGGERTY. THIS IS INDEFINITE. LET'S GET TO AN IN DEPTH THAT I PROMISED OVER A WEEK AGO AND I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH A STATEMENT. I BELIEVE IN BEING AUTHENTIC. I IT'S IMPORTANT. I HOPE THAT THAT COMES ACROSS. I'D MUCH RATHER SOMEONE TELL ME THE TRUTH. THEN SUGAR COAT STUFF. I TAKE ALEX, FOR INSTANCE, HE E-MAILED ME RECENTLY IN SEDAN. YOU'RE PROBABLY A NICE GUY, BUT I SIMPLY CAN'T STOMACH LISTENING TO DISCUSS A TOPIC. I TRULY. FIND YOU ANNOYING SO. I ACTUALLY FIND THAT REFRESHING. I MENA PAINFULLY FRIGID ICE BATH SORT OF WAY BUT REFRESHING. I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE ALEX IS COMING FROM AND NOT EVERYONE GIVES US THAT COURTESY, WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE FIGHT FOR TED'S WALKER. HE IS THE WIDE RECEIVER AT UNC WHO GOT BENCHED BY THE NCAA AFTER TRANSFERRING TO MANY TIMES. NOW BEAR WITH ME HERE FOR A MINUTE. I WANT TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE DETAILS. I WANT TO SEE ON THE SAME PAGE. I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE TIMELINE HERE. IT IS IN TWENTY-TWENTY WALKER GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL IN CHARLOTTE. SIGNS WITH EAST TENNESSEE STATE BUT DEFERRED AFTER A KNEE INJURY AND NEVER PLAYED. THEN HE COMMITTED TO NC CENTRAL. BUT THE SEASON GOT CANCELED BECAUSE OF COVID AND AGAIN, HE NEVER PLAYED A GAME. SO HE TRANSFERRED THIS TIME TO KENT STATE. WE PLAYED FOR 2 SEASONS BEFORE TRANSFERRING YET AGAIN TO YOU NC WHERE HE IS NOW. NOW THE NCAA LOOKED AT THIS TIME LINE AND SAID, OK, YOU HAVE TO SIT OUT A YEAR, THEN APPLYING THIS NEW RULE THAT SAYS A STUDENT CAN'T PLAY AT MORE THAN 2 SCHOOLS WITHOUT SITTING OUT A SEASON. A RULE THAT I HAVE TO MENTION WASN'T ACTUALLY MADE FINAL UNTIL AFTER WALKER TRANSFERRED THAT SOME PEOPLE CONFUSE WILL. WHY WASN'T HE GRANDFATHERED IN? RIGHT? THE RULE CAME AFTER. ALSO THE NCAA IS COUNTING. NC CENTRAL HAS A TEAM WHERE HE PLAYED. BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, NEVER REALLY PLAYED IT. THE SEASON WAS CANCELED BECAUSE OF A GLOBAL PANDEMIC. SO SHOULD THAT REALLY COUNT? LOTS OF PEOPLE SAY NO WAY IT SHOULDN'T LIKE HEAD COACH MACK BROWN, WHO RESPONDED WAS SHAME ON YOU IN ALL CAPS TO THE NCAA. HE SAID IN A STATEMENT, HOW DARE THEY EVER SPEAK ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH AND STUDENT ATHLETE, WELFARE AGAIN, THEN THINGS GOT EVEN WORSE WHEN THE NCAA RESPONDED TO BROWN AND SAID, HEY, COOL OFF, MAN, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING THREATS OF VIOLENCE AGAINST THE BOARD. IT WAS GETTING KIND OF SCARY FOR A MOMENT. THE STORY WAS EVERYWHERE. IT WAS ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA AND RADIO SHOW SPORTS ILLUSTRATED ALL THE MAJOR NETWORKS. EVERYONE WAS TALKING ABOUT. YOU COULDN'T MISS IT. AND NOW WE'RE ABOUT 3 WEEKS INTO THE SAGA. AND I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. WHAT? IS TED WALKER'S MAJOR? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LIKE WHAT WHAT'S THE STUDY AND ALL ALL OF THE SKI SCHOOLS THAT HE'S HE'S GOING TO. I'M SERIOUS. I CAN'T FIND IT EVEN ON THE TEAM WEBSITE. I PULLED IT UP. NOTHING YOU THINK IT WOULD BE PART OF EACH AND EVERY SINGLE STORY CONSIDERING HOW WE'RE ALWAYS TOLD TO THESE KIDS ARE ATHLETES, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. YOU KNOW WHY THE NCAA CHANGE THAT TRANSFER WILL IN THE FIRST PLACE TO PROTECT STUDENTS, SOMETHING THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN CRITICIZED FOR, IGNORING IT SO KIDS DON'T SWITCH SCHOOLS EVERY SINGLE YEAR TO PLAY WITH A NEW TEAM WHO NOW HAS THE BEST NEW QUARTERBACK TO KEEP OTHER PROGRAMS FROM POACHING PLAYERS FROM SCHOOL TO SCHOOL TO KEEP SUMMER BREAK FROM LOOKING LIKE NFL FREE AGENCY TO KEEP KIDS FROM PUTTING FOOTBALL AHEAD OF EVERYTHING ELSE. AND MACK BROWN WAS ONE OF ITS BIGGEST SUPPORTERS IN APRIL. HE APPLAUDED THE NEW RULE SAYING THE OTHER THING THEY'VE DONE WITH THE TRANSFER PORTAL, WHICH I THINK IS GOOD IS THEY'VE SAID THAT YOU CAN'T TRANSFER TWICE UNDER GRADUATE WITHOUT GETTING A WAIVER. AND WALT HAS WALKER HAS ONLY PLAYED FOOTBALL ONE SCHOOL HE'S ENROLLED AT 4 FOR SCHOOLS AND HE'S ONLY A JUNIOR NEW BOOKS. NEW TEACHERS, NEW CLASSES. SO REALLY HOW COLLEGE IS SUPPOSED TO WORK IF EDUCATION WAS TRULY THAT TOP PRIORITY, LIKE WE'RE ALWAYS TOLD, IS WOULDN'T THAT PLAY INTO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH? BUT IT HAS FROM BROWN, NOT FROM UNC, OFTEN THE MEDIA, NOT FROM FANS. NOWHERE. I HEAR YOU TOO. I LOOK WHEN YOU LISTEN TO BROWN'S POINTS THAT TIMING OF THE TRANSFER IS THE HYPOCRISY WITH THE NCAA. HE MAKES SOME COMPELLING ARGUMENTS. BUT YOU EITHER BELIEVE IN THE ETHICS OF THE RULE OR NOT. THERE'S NO EFFECTIVE DATE FOR VIRTUE. MOST PROBABLY SOUNDS LIKE I HAVE AN OPINION ON WALKER'S ELIGIBILITY, BUT I DON'T PLAY DON'T PLANT THAT. SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT. I JUST DON'T LIKE LIP SERVICE. I DON'T LIKE FEELING AS THOUGH I MIGHT BE GETTING MANIPULATED. THE NEW YORK TIMES PUBLISHED A POLL OPINION PIECE THIS MORNING WITH THIS. SOME GRAPHIC OF THIS, MISTER PEANUT LOOKING FOOTBALL GUY WHO I LOVE. IT WAS WRITTEN BY AN INSIDE MAN, A REGENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN WHO CALLED THE CURRENT MODEL FOR COLLEGE SPORTS. A MONEY GRABBING A SHAMEFUL TIME FOR ALL OF US INVOLVED IN COLLEGE ATHLETICS IN HIGHER EDUCATION. HE WROTE THIS. BUT SOME OF THE NEW SUPER CONFERENCES, THEY'RE COMING UP. THE CURRENT ACC EXPANSION AS WELL WITH THE ATLANTIC COAST CONFERENCE. I WANT TO CLEAR OUT OF SCHOOLS THAT ARE LITERALLY ON THE PACIFIC COAST PURELY TO MAKE MONEY FROM TV DEALS WORTH BILLIONS HERE ON THE SCREEN. THIS IS HOW HE BROKE DOWN. WHAT THIS MEANS FOR KIDS. YOU HAVE TO TRAVEL NOW ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO PLAY THE SPORTS COLLEGE FOOTBALL TEAMS. HE SAYS GET CHARTER PLANES AND NICE HOTELS. BUT THE OLYMPIC SPORTS LIKE FIELD HOCKEY TRACK AND FIELD CREW, WHICH MOST ATHLETES PLAY FLYING COMMERCIAL IS THE NORM FOR UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN TEAM TO TRAVEL TO A GAME AT THE UNIVERSITY OF OREGON. FOR EXAMPLE, REQUIRES OVER 7 AND A HALF HOURS OF TRAVEL ON DELTA AIR LINES WITH A LAYOVER IN SALT LAKE CITY OR SEATTLE THAT'S LONGER THAN A FLIGHT FROM DETROIT TO LONDON. IT IS NOT EVEN MENTIONING THE TIME CHANGES. THESE ARE KIDS IN SCHOOL. MOST OF THEM PAYING FULL TUITION AND BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE UNC PLAY STANFORD ON ESPN LACROSSE TEAM HAS TO TRAVEL ACROSS THE CONTINENT, WHICH AGAIN IS FINE. IF THE MAN WHO ORCHESTRATED THIS ENTIRE MOVE DIDN'T SAY THIS A FEW WEEKS EARLIER. >> AM >> I BREAKING ANY NEWS HERE? COMMON SENSE BROKE THIS STORY YEARS AGO, BUT WE DO NEED TO BE HONEST WITH THE PAST. WE'RE HEADED DOWN WHEN IT COMES TO COLLEGE SPORTS, ESPECIALLY IN THIS TOWN. HE'S THE MORAL IS. BE LIKE ALEX ARE ON US. YOU ARE. YOU PROBABLY TURN THE SEGMENT AT THE OFF THE MOMENT. I STARTED TALKING UNLESS I'M GROWING ON ALEX. THAT HAPPENS SOMETIMES A GROWING PEOPLE. THIS IS SUCH A BIG TOPIC. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A LOT MORE TO GET INTO A NEVER EVEN MENTIONED NIL. TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK. E-MAIL ME. AND AND WRAL DOT COM. TELL ME WHAT IS ON YOUR MIND AND WE'LL GO IN DEPTH. >> AND AFTER HEARING HIM TALK, ALL I CAN SAY IS A THIS IS A