AMERICA'S LAST SPLASH DOWN WITH THE ADDED DANGER OF DARKNESS WAS APOLLO 8 IN 1968. >>> THE STORY OF RUSSELL WILSON'S BEGINNING AT NC START TO NFL STAR DOM HAS BEEN TOLD MANY TIMES BUT WITH A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT ACCURACY AND FILLING IN THE BLANKS OF WHAT REALLY TOOK PLACE AND NOW TWO FINE CONTRIBUTORS ARE SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT IN A NEW PODCAST RELEASED TODAY. HERE TO TELL US. 99, THE FAN GUYS GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. A GREAT LISTEN. I KNOW THE FIRST EPISODE IS OUT. I LISTENED TO IT THIS MORNING. HOW DID THE IDEA -- HOW DID THIS IDEA COME OUT FOR THE PODCAST? >> THE IDEA CAME OUT FROM THE OTHER JOE, JILIOE WHO USED TO BE ON THE NC STATE BEAT, THE NEWSPAPER. HE SHARES THE FRUSTRATION WHEN WATCHING A COLLEGE FOOTBALL GAME AND RUSSELL WILSON COMES UP IN THE NC STATE BROADCAST OR NFL OR THEY GET THE STORY WRONG OR MISSING IMPORTANT CONTEXT AND JILIO COMBINING OLD RADIO INTERVIEWS WITH VARIOUS PEOPLE WANTED TO PUT THIS TOGETHER AND IT'S BEEN A LOT OF FUN. >> SINCE YOU WERE THERE AND TALKING ABOUT THE EXACT TIME FRAME WHEN YOU LIVED THROUGH IT, YOU HAVE KIND OF SOME INTIM NATURE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. WHAT ARE THE IN ACCURACY THAT ARE GLARING THAT YOU FELT IT NECESSARY TO GET IT OUT. >> WE OBVIOUSLY HEARD FROM RUSSELL WILSON SIDE AND THE WAY TOM OWE BRIAN WAS WIRED HE DIDN'T SHARE A LOT OF INSIGHTS AND CERTAINLY DIDN'T LIKE TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF AND I ACTUALLY HAD A PRETTY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH TOM AND COVERED FINAL TWO YEARS AT NC STATE. THIS IS A CHANCE TO SHARE SOME OF THOSE AND ALSO SOME OF THE TEAMMATES AND COLLEAGUES THAT REALLY -- IT'S A CHANCE TO HEAR EVERYONE KIND OF GIVE INPUT BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS THE SAME THOUGHT TOO. THAT'S NOT REALLY HOW IT WENT. >>> DOES ANY COACH IN AMERICA TODAY, TEN YEARS LATER, MAKE THE SAME DECISION THAT TOM OWE BRIAN DID AND JILIO YOU WERE CLOSEST TO HIM AS ANYBODY, YOU GOT TO COVER YOURSELF AND IT SEEMED LIKE WILSON WOULD HAVE BEEN THE PERFECT WAY TO COVER YOURSELF. >>> YEAH, TOM WOULD MAKE THE SAME DECISION AGAIN TEN YEARS LATER BUT WE'LL GET INTO THAT WHY BECAUSE OF THE BACKGROUND AND THE WAY THAT HE IS AND THE WAY RUSSELL WAS. THE THING I'VE ALWAYS FOUND FASCINATING IS RUSSELL WILSON HASN'T PLAYED AN INNING OF BASEBALL SINCE HE LEFT NC STATE AND YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FOOTBALL CAREER WHEN HE GAVE UP BASEBALL. >> COMING FROM THE GUY, THE HEAD COACH WHO SAID HE DOESN'T THINK THE NFL REALLY WANTS RUSSELL WILSON. SO INTERESTING THERE. OVIS, YOU AND JOE, YOU TWO JOES WORKED TOGETHER CLOSELY, DID YOU LEARN ANYTHING ABOUT EACH OTHER GOING ALONG WITH THE TEAMWORK PROJECT? WHAT WERE THE CHALLENGES? >> ORGANIZATION IS ALWAYS -- IS ALWAYS A CHALLENGE BUT ALL JOKING ASIDE, THERE IS A LOT THAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST TEN YEARS AND JEFF, YOU COULD RELATE TO THIS. WHEN IN THE BUSINESS AS LONG AS YOU'RE IN THE BUSINESS YOU AT THEED TO FORGET CONVERSATIONS. IT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO GO BACK THROUGH INTERVIEWS ADAM GOLD AND I HAD DONE WITH VARIOUS PEOPLE INCLUDING TOM OWE BRIAN AND RUSSELL WILSON AND I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING TO GET THE PERSPECTIVE NC BASEBALL COACH WHO JILIAN HAD A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH FOR A LONG TIME. JULIO HAS A UNIQUE SKILL TO GET PEOPLE TO OPEN UP AND I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO PEOPLE HEARING FUTURE EPISODES WHERE THERE IS MORE IN-DEPTH CONVERSATIONS INCLUDING THE GUY RUSSELL WILSON WAS COMPETING WITH. >> A LOT OF LAYERS WHAT WE FORGET YOU REFRESH. THE PODCAST IS CALLED NEVER FAIL THE RUSSELL WILSON STORY. YOU CAN LEARN MORE AND DOWNLOAD OR GET IT OFF THE WEBSITE. JOE JILIO.