a couple of a couple housekeeping items, You're probably confused. Wait a minute, shouldn't, shouldn't be listening to green right now. Yeah, technically you should be instead. You're listening to me and Giulio here on 99 9. The fan, once we get to game time, you'll actually be able to hear those games here on 99 9. The fan will be originating those broadcasts, Lauren Brownlow and Dennis cox. We'll have the half times and the in betweens from today's game. Meanwhile, Giulio and I will be doing our show live here from the Barclay center on buzz Sports radio and the WRL Sports plus television extravaganza. You can watch it on WRL sports fan dot com, you can watch it on the WRL streaming app as well, wherever you get your streaming apps, Roku, apple tv and the like um the other thing that I wanted to kinda set the table on is that we had to give away our first born to get the internet access here or well, no, it's, it's not, it's not so much that I could have given you the media code. What are you doing? I don't know, I just gave away my entire life savings to JetBlue to get on the, you should have just put on, you should have put BC Media and I just failed the, I just failed the security check in. You also never give away from you also failed. You also failed your first, you know, I'm from Jersey, I'm gonna get my artichoke pizza. I'm in new york chick fil a, I had to stop with the whole foods to get hair gel has not been applied yet. Um That was a challenge. It was $20 for pomade at whole foods. What's it like? Free? Right, it's organic. I forgot, I forgot about the tri state area. $20 for pomade did not come with any sort of massage or anything else. Um it was not that type of establishment. And then I'm walking and then I realized, you know, I wrote walking here, I'm realizing it's really not that far of a walk first of all from the hotel. So that was nice. That was nice. Um But then I'm looking around thinking I need a bagel place, all these carts, you need cash. You've known me for how long? I never ever ever know this about me. I never have cash. And so finally I wanted to take a picture because I took, I picked every game of the bracket. I'm gonna post that shortly year on WRL sports fan dot com. But I wanted my own picture So I can post it on the website, right? So I'm walking to the front and all of a sudden it's 9:50 man, I don't want to, you said the name of the establishment. I don't want to slander them, but they could really use some of their north Carolina. People shout out to my man Dave already. It's got a place in holly springs if he ran the one across the street. I know for sure. So that it would be a smooth operation, so no, no, it's okay. I've already put this out on social media because when I got off the, when I got off the train and I went up the escalator in the main Barclay center entrance, subway entrance. Mm hmm. It was like my spidey senses started tingling, you know, it's like, oh wait a minute. There it is. There's chick fil a now, the only thing that would have been better if it was a Bojangles, right? Like that truly would have been north Carolina chefs kiss, right, but I'll take it was already for one of those carts to get like a, you know, taylor ham, egg and cheese out of one of these cars, there was one right outside the airport or the Marriott will take care they only take. So I'm sitting here now and you got to take care of the hair. So I knew I had to make a stop, I stopped at one of the bodegas and the guys looking at me and he goes, what are you looking for? I got hair gel, He goes, I go pomade, he's looking at me and the english was not, we had a little bit of a language barrier going on. So anyway, I end up at the whole foods and here's the thing, I love whole foods, I can't get enough of whole foods but I resisted. I resisted the food because I was thinking, well there's got to be a bagel place? No well I mean there is right around the corner the Bergen Street bagel, that's the place that I've gone to before I came up Flatbush and I did not see, you know what I saw Panera, I'm like no I'm not doing that. There's nothing wrong, there's nothing wrong with Panera because listen it's a Tuesday at the sec tournament and they will do their best to take care of us here but I don't trust anything anymore when it comes to like a media meal or whether there's going to be anything. No, they're setting up. I I understand that but you and I are gonna be here for for a brick as the kids like to say we are going to trust I bought some pretzels at the whole food because me you and cox. I know cox enjoys my snacks. Um So what are you trying to break? Are you trying to bring the radio stations here here? I mean did you did you bring did you bring a golf? Did you bring a golf club? I did not, I did not know about the cards. I bought the you know carl cox loves to play you know too so I'm excited about that but I'm gonna be honest with you like waited my whole career like Yeah man A C C tournament. Radio row. Have you taken a picture yet of our accommodations were on tv right now? I will I will eventually. But alright. Did you think it was a closet? Did you think it was more glamorous than this? Empty closet in the bowels of the Barclay center? The locker room hallway is right behind us. Dennis, Dennis Dennis and Jonathan rand to chime in on this because you guys have been doing radio for a heck of a long time. Just like me. None of, none of u nobody told DiLeo about the glamorous radio row life. We have our own bathroom in the shower in the shower. So slandering anyone. This is a different place than where they used to put us. Yeah they they knocked all that out for ESPN production in the room that we were Yeah, we were not here when the sec network existed the last Yeah so they took over the space that we were doing radio stuff from last time. Yeah. Doing doing radio. It's not a visual medium then now it is. Thanks to WRL Plus sports Plus. So it didn't really matter where they put us in Greensboro man, they put the issue is they put us as far away from the print people because the print people will get annoyed that we're allowed. And you know, Adam Gold when Adam Gold starts to show it's a good thing, there's a reason why I wear headphones because he's louder without the headphones than he is in my ear when I got the headphones on. So I've been to radio rose like at the final four And the Super Bowl where it's loud but when goals are 999 the fan everybody looks at our table and I'm like the embarrassed child, you know like like dad not now. So yeah this is the radio road life man. It ain't sexy. They just stick us in a closet. We do our radio. I think I'll just wait till the break and I'll give you the information and then uh yeah like in Washington they put us in a nice closet. Yeah it was strange in Washington. They can do anything. They can do that next year. Two years that's in, you know that's next year and then it goes to Greensboro and we don't know what's going to happen after that. That's actually something we're gonna talk about with luke Hancock, columnist for the News and Observer. They recently wrote a piece on the future of the A. C. C. Tournament because yeah, we're back in Brooklyn. uh the first year in 2017 I found it to be a novelty When we came back here in 2018 I found it to be more of a slog and I can see why fans were not exactly keen on making the trek up to new york. Everything's freaking expensive as we just illustrated with you and the pomade right? So I'm gonna be really curious to see what the A. C. C. Does going forward in terms of scheduling the A. C. C. Tournament. There's nothing wrong with going to charlotte, there's nothing wrong with going to Greensboro. You know people talk so much about Madison Square Garden as the mecca. But the thing is for a lot of people in the A. C. C. That's the Greensboro coliseum, whether you like it or not as much as I can roll my eyes at the way people talk about Madison Square Garden. The same could be said about the people who roll their eyes when we talk about the Greensboro coliseum. However, I do think that the A. C. C. Stumbled into something a couple of years ago when it was in Washington D. C. I really do believe that Washington D. C. Is a place that the A. C. C. Tournament should be more often than not. Uh It's a better centrally located area for the new A. C. C. It's an easy drive for people around here. It's warm and there's a whole lot of stuff to do in D. C. As well. Just like there's a bunch of people talk about, oh man, there's so many things to do in new york. Well there's a hell of a lot of stuff to do in D. C. As well. Uh As somebody who spent a considerable amount of time up in D. C. Yeah I'm a big fan of that city now. It's important to know that the Big East tournament has a contract with Mass Square Garden when 26 through 28. I see the reason why I know this is because uh back in like 2017, 2000 and 18 and they were knocking out things with the Barclay Center and everything else. Uh, we were talking about contracts were thinking oh the A. C. C. Will totally buy out the Big East and the Big East contract with the massive Square Garden and they'll be there sooner rather than later. Um, No, that doesn't really seem to be even did the old finished the season a week early so they could play there and they didn't really go all that great. And they stopped, they stopped, they stopped doing that. Um it was it was an idea that made sense in theory, but it did not work out in the end. So speaking of theories, I do feel like the A. C. C. Is not going to come back to new york unless they could do it at Madison Square Garden after this event in Brooklyn. And again, the earliest that could happen would be 2029. But I don't see where there would be any indication indication that would tell you that the big east of Madison Square garden or in any way shape or form interested in giving up that contract. So it might be a while for it might be a while for the A. C. C. Coming back to new york. It's the O. G. Alongside joe Giulio? I'm joe obvious yes you're hearing us in the morning here at the Barclay Center ahead of the A. C. C. Tournament. We will have games here on 99 on 1999. The fan will have the two o'clock game the 4 30 game in the evening game N. C. State and Clemson will tip off at 4 30 and we'll be broadcasting our normal show from 3 to 6 on buzz sports radio and on WRL sports fan on WRL sports Plus. So as we're setting up for the A. C. C. Tournament there's still plenty of bracketology conversation duke obviously in but where they're gonna be seated. North Carolina has enough quality wins now where they're no longer on the bubble even if they lose on thursday but where exactly would they be and what ends up happening with teams like Miami wake forest, Virginia Virginia tech. We'll talk to Patrick stevens Washington post. Our chief bracketology ist next. It's a tough assignment but someone had to do it. It's the O. G. And N. Y. C. For the A. C. C. Attorney on 99 9. The fan hey it's show obvious for miller lending check them out online. Miller lending dot com don't pay closing costs on your mortgage. It's it's silly it's you know, speaking of expensive things. 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State isn't necessarily about their NC double A. Tournament chances. They're last in the sec. They're not going to make the NC double A. Tournament unless they win the A. C. C. Tournament. Although there's been nothing to indicate that NC state can go on a run of that sort. But given that the year ended in a way that nobody liked it will be interesting to see what kind of fight N. C. State has today against Clemson. So what so what's the what's the sec looking like when it comes to the N. C. Double A tournament Patrick stevens, Washington post, he covers bracketology and other things for the post. But we want to talk to him about bracketology matters. Patrick, what's going on man? How are you? We're good, we're good. A couple of weeks ago. It was looking dicey for the A. C. C. What about now? I mean Duke obviously is in the N. C. Double A tournament and even north Carolina looks like they went from a bubble team to being pretty much in thanks to their win over Duke. What what about everybody else? Well it's funny you know north Carolina like you mentioned is a team that has one of the, you don't see that happen very often this late in the season where one game makes all the difference in the world. But for north Carolina it really did just because you know who they've beaten prior to prior to saturday and Cameron. So Carolina I think is is safely in the field. I think Notre dame is in good shape. You know they're seven and five on the road. They haven't done anything particularly bad. I get it. You know like the schedule didn't really help them out in the sense that you know you look at the six teams playing today in Brooklyn. Uh Those are the six teams that were Notre Dame's double opponents in league play this year? So not exactly helping out the irish in terms of adding opportunities to get good victories. But I think they're going to be okay. Their profile really isn't that much different than what Carolina's is. I mean obviously they're high profile when against Kentucky came home and I think Miami stands out, uh, as, as the team that, uh, maybe you're not thinking of them as a, as a surefire thing. But therefore in one of those quad one games, there is not a power five conference school that has more than true road victories than Miami does. They have 10 of them. And I think the hurricanes are going to be safely in the field when all is said and done as well assuming they don't do anything truly ridiculous this week. So that leaves wake forest. Well actually I wanted to, I wanted to focus on Virginia tech for a little bit because they are a classic metrics darling. When you look at their net, if you look at their net, their 37 there Kenpom, which is a predictive measure. Uh, they are, this is, this is shocking to me. They're actually 20 29th in kenpom. And I'm sitting here thinking, oh, that must be the case. And I'm sitting here looking at him as an 11 and nine conference team, 19 and 12 overall. It's like how, how does that happen? So like the math doesn't make sense to me when you look at the record. But then you look at their metrics, the way the way that they have essentially gained the metrics is by beating the snot out of a lot of bad teams. You know there's supposed to be a captain margin of victory in there but efficiency doesn't necessarily uh track with with margin of victory. And so you look at what they did earlier in the season and I'm just going to run through their quad four victories which are games that don't help them. They beat Georgia Tech by 15 Cornell by 33 pit by 27 Radford by 36. Merrimack by 29 ST. Francis, P. A. by 30 and main by 35. And so that's basically how they've done it is by winning all these lopsided games. And then when you start looking at some of the losses N. C. State by five Bc by five Miami by three. Clemson by four, Virginia by two Carolina by eight sensing a trend here. You know all these tight losses for Virginia Tech. And that's basically how it how how this has been spit out as Virginia Tech being this weirdly uh favorable team for the metrics. You know Washington state out in the pac 12 is another team like that. I think of those teams as sort of the opposite of Wisconsin and providence. The teams that have beaten a bunch of good teams but have done it close and when they lose they usually get blown out. So I think Virginia Tech is in the same boat as a lot of teams in the A. C. C. Tournament this week and that they need to go ahead and win on saturday night if they want to be playing uh in the N. C. A. A. Tournament. Patrick stevens joining us here on the O. G. On the easter automotive group hotline, joe joe, that's Jarvis. I'm joe Julio's promised I can speak english Patrick. There are not a lot of Wake Forest fans out there but they are very vocal online. They are very convinced their team no matter what they do here in Brooklyn is in the N. C. Double A. Tournament field. Uh you have cold water for them or you think they could loot or do you think they could lose on Wednesday to either pit or boston college and get in? Well if they lose to pitter boston college on tomorrow. I mean I hope those fans are looking forward to a home in I. T. Game at that point because that's what they might get. I mean the thing with Wake Forest that stands out and I get White Wake Forest scheduled the way it did for for as bad as it's been for the most part for the last several years. But when you're at the edge of the field and you don't have a ton of high end victories, particularly away from home. Their best victory on the N. C. A sheet is of all things at Virginia tech. Um they've got the Carolina and Notre dame wins at home. That certainly helped them out too. But one quad one win and a non conference strength of schedule of 3 38. I mean that's usually not a good sign. You know you think back you know when we made a big deal out of N. C. State sneaking into the field uh in 2014 I think it was it was because there were teams they were getting compared to that didn't have high end winds and had terrible nonconference strength of schedules. And we've seen it the other way with N. C. State where they've gotten left out because of a bad nonconference strength of schedule. I think Wake Forest is in a really really dicey spot and you know you certainly do not want to lose Wednesday and it would help them immensely uh to be able to make the semifinals up in Brooklyn. Uh Because right now you look at that profile and there's not a ton of reasons to push them into the field. There's not a lot to keep them out either. The loss at Louisville early in the season, which Nobody thought was going to turn out to be as poor as everyone as it turned out to be is really the only bad loss on the resume. But there isn't a whole lot of oomph to them too. And so they need they need to play well this week and they also need to avoid having things happen in conferences where there's a surprise winner, like in the a 10 or the mountain west Patrick stevens Washington post joining us here on the O. G alongside joe Giulio, I'm joe obvious he's mr bracketology. One last thing about Wake Forest because this does get into the your winds matter, but it's kind of an unspoken thing of your losses will also matter too. And I always chalked it up to the don't do anything dumb category and Giulio and I merge on this particular topic when it comes to tournament play, What, what is the history of the NC double A tournament selection committee on losing your first tournament game, Conference tournament game? If you're a bubble team? Well, I think that sort of depends on who you're losing it too. You know, if, if, let's say, let's say you're the sixth seed in the Big 12 tournament one year and you're at the edge of the field and you lose to a three seed, that probably isn't going to hurt you that much. But if you're a team that's playing one of the bottom three or four teams in your league and you cough that game up, that is definitely not going to help you at all. Like everything else in this, no team exists in a vacuum. So some years you have a team that will lose a game early in their tournament and then everybody else that they're getting compared to winds up losing early as well and it kind of comes out in the wash, I do think is we're talking about Wake Forest here and the two teams that they would be looking at losing to potentially, uh, not that they're looking to do that, but if they did Boston College with a net of 1 70, Pittsburgh with a net of 194 on a neutral floor, that's going to be a quad three loss. So it's not like that's something that, that wouldn't hurt you as much as say, you know, losing to a Miami, which is 59 on a neutral floor would be a quad to loss. And potentially if Miami were able were to be able to maybe make another step forward might even be a quad one loss. But I think if you're wake forest, you do not want to tempt state with a loss to either boston college pitt, you might be okay getting one game this week. You're probably not going to be okay getting none. Patrick stevens, you're the most number person. I know. And yet it's, it took you to point out to me, listen, you gotta look who's on the committee and we're not, we're not trying to make anyone seem to be nefarious here, but The Atlantic 10's gonna get more than one team in, aren't they? I think so, I think so. I think that I think Davidson is going to get in regardless. Uh And I think VCU is in decent shape as a team that has the other nine and two on the road. And so the other factor that VCU has when you really dig into their overall season they had a point guard base baldwin that was out for the first month or so of the season. He came back in six months from an achilles tendon tear which is an incredible thing in and of in and of itself. But they have played really well since he got back. They have all those road wins. They beat Davidson on the road. They'd be dating on the road. Uh And I think they've they've only lost three or four games since he's returned. So I think as long as VCU doesn't do anything silly that they'll probably get in as well if they make the final. I think they definitely get into the field and probably get to bypass Dayton in the process. I was gonna say I feel like Dayton's got enough work outside of the league. They got they have a better resume than anyone not named Duke from the A. C. C. With the win over Kansas in Miami Belmont if you want to throw it in there. The weird thing about dating is is they had one awful week in november. They lost at home to U mass swole. They lost austin p they lost the Lipscomb at home all in a row, three games in eight days and if you take if you take those three games out and dating is a really young team to, as you point out uh if you take those three games out, Dayton would be a tournament team. I don't think there's any question about it. Can they cry covid over those losses? I don't think that they can, I think that that was simply, they just weren't very good at the first, the first week or so of the season. I remember, you know when they beat Kansas, it was like, how in the heck is this possible based on what they were, what they were doing just a week or so earlier. I mean they just seemed like one of those weird young teams that was that was going to just be all over the place and for the most part They've handled their business, they're only really questionable loss in a 10 play was at lasalle. So I think Dayton and VCU is a potential a 10 semifinal on saturday. You know, it might end up being a playing game, it might be a three bid league and I wouldn't forget about ST bonaventure last year's conference champion that has a lot of older guys, they're not really at large material because they haven't been particularly sharp but at their best with Kyle, often the point guard, they could be pretty good, they have an injury issue up there oceano sunny uh, the all conference center, uh, from a year ago has been dealing with injury. And so the question is, if he's healthy, They have a chance to go win three games in three days. If not, they just simply don't have the depth. They used their bench less than pretty much anybody in the country. I feel like the last time I looked and I'll try to bring it up now. But the last time I looked, they were around 12% for bench minutes, 11.7% for bench minutes on. Which is the fewest of anybody in the country. Patrizio, I call you a numbers guy and you drop an oh shoot oh, shoot me on us. He's a, he's a savant. He's a savant. Patrick stevens Washington post joining us here on the O G alongside joe Giulio. I'm joe obvious will close on this. Duke went from a number one seed two dot dot dot where, where, where's Duke gonna be? Probably a two seed. Can they, can they salvage a one seed by winning the tournament? See, I don't think there's enough anywhere to be found there and I'm not sure that even if they had one Saturday and then won the next three that they were going to get there. I mean, I think Gonzaga is going to take one of the one seeds, if Arizona can, can avoid tripping up early in the PAC 12 tournament. They probably get one at least one of those big 12 teams Kansas surveillance is going to probably end up with one if not both. And I think one of the sec teams either Kentucky or auburn is gonna have a chance. So I don't know if Duke can get climb up much higher than the third number two seat at this point. Uh You know some of this is a function of the A. C. C. Just not providing a lot of high end opportunities. I mean when you look at Duke's team sheet, you know they played three Quad one games in November I believe it was and they've played three cents I think is is how it shakes out at the moment. I don't know if Ohio state dropped down a little bit of checking now. Yeah they played three Gonzaga Kentucky and Ohio state in november. And then at Carolina at wake and at Notre dame. Are there three quad one games since the start of december there just isn't enough there I don't think to justify getting them up to the one line but I do think if they if they win the sec tournament or or even really make the final that they're probably gonna end up a number to see Patrick stevens Washington post our chief primatologist. Alright man we appreciate the time. Uh And we'll be up in your area in two years for the A. C. C. Tournament. Hopefully I'm down in your area for next year's A. C. C. Tournament but definitely looking forward to having that back in D. C. In a couple years. Thanks so much for having me Dogg alongside joe Giulio. I'm jovenes. Yeah we're in Brooklyn for the A. C. C. Tournament. We've got games on 99 9. The fans starting at two o'clock will be on the air on buzz sports radio and on WRL sports plus you can check that out on WRL sports fan dot com on the WRL streaming app. You know Roku, apple tv google chrome etcetera or google chromecast etcetera. We'll be on the air at three o'clock here from Barclays Center hanging out throughout the day. We'll talk to luke hancock about the future of the A. C. C. Tournament. Yes it's back in Brooklyn. There are lots of opinions on whether or not it should be here in the first place. But the A. C. C. Does not have its A. C. C. Tournament schedule beyond 2020 for so where do they go next? What are the chances that they go to the manage to Madison Square Garden? We'll check in with luke to cock of the news and observer who recently wrote about that a little bit later on in the program. We'll also talk to paul brazo who is the commissioner of basketball here with the A. C. C. About this event and how things have changed in two years since things shut down in Greensboro at the start of the pandemic like actual people will be here. It's a more, a more normal tournament. Two years after Covid shut everything down while we were in Greensboro, C. O. G. Alongside joe Giulio. I'm joe obvious. We'll stick with Duke a little bit and discuss just what we'll see out of the blue devils after an embarrassing loss on saturday. The tar heels. Next talk about a job perk going to new york, talking basketball and watching the A. C. C. Tournament. They're living large. It's the O. G. On 99 9. The fan Liberty mutual insurance company presents and doug check it out Linux a roadside carnival. 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It's not like either one of these teams is making the NC double A tournament unless they go on a run before you say it. NC State fans. I know there have been coaches in the past at NC State who have gone on some runs Herb Sendek in his first season. Sidney Lowe as well. Those are all odd numbered years. N. C. State doesn't do well and even other than 1974 they don't do well in even numbered years. So that's that's what state is looking at right now. I'd like to see another state when you know just to kind of show just to show you know just to just to show something just to show something. There's one thing I don't like seeing at the A. C. C. Tournament is when teams clearly are done. Look the season was the season the season you're going to get that on full display there. My friend and I understand that I won't care today pit well what is pits records since Jason Capel ran his mouth by the way. Mr eight and 20 runs his mouth again. And what happens they've lost every single game since they beat Carolina. So so for me though I just want one team at a Tuesday to look like they give a damn that's all I ask. BC first year. Earl Grant fancy free. Alright so. Alright I just want a team to give a damn on Tuesday that's all I ask. There's always one team that will put on a show why not N. C. State. Actually what we really want is as our friend Mark Armstrong said we really want Jericho helms to say it was all about the team meals. That's what I'll remember. She's that's a that's a boston college deep cut was it? Uh Dennis Clifford who said that back in the day it was Dennis Clifford who said that somebody had asked him, somebody had asked him you know what he's going to remember from the season and it was a year in which they didn't win an sec game. I want to say it was Greensboro. But yeah tennis club in boston college had won a conference game that year. The big white center Dennis didn't wanna conference game. Okay. Winless in conference. Somebody asked me what they remember about the year dudes in tears and he just says I'll remember the meals and you know what though as a college student, I remember those meals to probably that's that's where I'm at. What about Duke Mike Wazowski met with the media yesterday. They're coming off this loss to north Carolina I expect them to be on fire this week. They're mad. I'm sure that that losing to Carolina did not go over well with the coaching staff and they're gonna have this team fired up and here's coach k after the U. N. C. Los talking to the media on monday and how they're approaching tournament time. Now we're in this year, zero and 0 part of the season and we'll be there twice. Will be that right now. And so next sunday or before and then next sunday we'll be it again. And hopefully the lessons that we've learned from playing the 31 games and including especially this last one will help us. Um, in both those situations. The issue is, and that's Mike Wazowski on the lessons that we've learned. The issue is those lessons should have been learned by now. They should have been on display in that loss in north Carolina on saturday. Maybe it was the moment that ended up being the reason why this team never really seemed to get it together at home. Now that's beyond them. As Michalczewski actually said on saturday after the loss, he's glad it's over. Maybe the team is glad it's over too. I expect to see. I expect to see Duke in the championship game on saturday. I don't know who they're going to play. I know it's entirely possible that North Carolina can provide a third meeting between these two teams. But I don't like North Carolina's matchup. I also know that in the back of my mind, North Carolina is capable of just not having a good night. Um, so, and you know, playing Virginia out of the game probably not the best situation for north Carolina. But I do expect to see Duke on saturday when Duke beat Carolina at the smith center and really was feeling their oats. Who did they play in the next game? They played Virginia at home and they lost, Who's Carolina now play in their next game? Probably. Hmm, Here's the thing. And I'll say this for Virginia fans because they, they want to hear this in the triangle. We think everything is about Duke and Carolina. We do. And for the most part in the history of the city, it has been, here's Tony Bennett with Mike Wazowski about to retire. Tony Bennett is actually the best coach in the sec. Now. We've never been able to say at any point in this league's history that Virginia has the best coach in the conference. Not once. He's the one with the national championship. He's the one with the multiple HCC titles now. And honestly with that roster this year, uh, the way that they started the season losing two Navy losing to James Madison. Now. Navy is not a bad team. James Madison is, I think he's done some of his best work. The win at Duke was remarkable. And this Carolina could ride a rocket ship of confidence after saturday. They could, they could, to your point, we don't really know about, We still don't really know what we're gonna get from Carolina. They could ride a rocket ship. They could end up in the final four. They could end up losing to Virginia on thursday because it's a, it's the last, it's the very last team you want to see, the very last team that you want to see. I think that's gonna be the game of the tournament. I'm looking forward to that. Back to duke. And the matter of hunger. Coach K actually talked about this on saturday after the loss to to north Carolina. They've had instances, you bring up Virginia, Virginia was the hungry or desperate team at Cameron indoor stadium and Michalczewski did not like the way the team responded to that you'd think there'd be a lesson applied there. It wasn't, we had seen Wake Forest come through and give them a run Clemson, etcetera. Right? Here's mike chefs keep on keeping the team hungry. It's tough to find somebody who's hungry all the time. You know, that there are only so many Kobe Bryants in the world, you know, and, and row we can all be beaten by human nature and, and oh, the ones that do it really well aren't beating that much. They got a really high winning percentage against human nature. And so when you say not hungry, it's tough to stay at that level when you've already eaten well, right, we can, we just wanted to record, we had a big male and then you got what, what's the next meal? Yeah, we we weren't ready for that. So was Mike Wazowski on saturday after the loss to north Carolina and the matter of staying hungry again, they've had multiple opportunities to learn that lesson and it did not stick and that's why they lost on saturday. Now, does anything change for the A. C. C. Tournament? Probably not. I mean, we know that the most talented team and it's interesting, we got on hubert Davis north Carolina head coach earlier this year when he talked about what, having a, having a coach effort, I shouldn't have to coach effort. That type of thing. Right. What's the difference between what hubert Davis was saying at the beginning of the year and and people were getting mad at him for having to do that and what Mike Wazowski is pointing out in terms of hunger, like at this point in the year, man, you should be able to like taste it. Like we're getting into crunch time. Let's turn this thing on. Let's leave. No doubt this Duke team has certainly left the door open for a lot of doubt they have and it's the way that they've lost, joe are in close games and if it wasn't this idea that somehow you could waltz to the, To the final 4 to the National Championship Because there's two different things in play here, I do think, you know, Mike has already won 15 a CC titles in the tournament and normally you'd say, ah, what's another A CC title to Mike Wazowski, I think in his final season it would be meaningful. And you'd say, well, Michalczewski has been to the final 4 12 times. What's, what, you know, what's another trip To the final four from Mike Wazowski? I think it would be meaningful. The problem is to get there as we talked about with Patrick stevens and you can listen to that conversation on the best of the O. G podcast, Duke is not going to be a number one seed and unless they get Gonzaga or unless they get Arizona who I think will fail miserably in the tournament. Um, I, I think they're in real trouble, particularly with Kentucky because you think like, do you believe in karma? Yes, you do. So why did Carolina get the win that they got on saturday? And that's part of it. Right. It's all, it's all part of. Don't you think there's another blue blood tournament team out there who has just a little bit of karma coming its way when it comes to Duke, don't you think Based on what happened? But if they, if they pair duke and Kentucky together, which they absolutely should because the regional finals in Philadelphia, which is where the Christian Laettner game was in 1992 and guess what? The ratings for this tournament aren't going to be that great because not that many people care about college basketball. You want people to care about the game, You put Duke and Kentucky together in philadelphia. That's what you do. If you thought it was an obnoxious lead up to the Carolina Duke game this saturday, what do you think the lead up is going to be for a Duke Kentucky anniversary game in the tournament? Yes, sir. And don't you think for a second they haven't thought about that in that selection committee because you can't chance the final four? When's the last time Duke spent to the final 4 15? Right, You can't take chances with that. They had Zion freaking Williamson and RJ barrett and they couldn't get to the final four. So you can't, you can't take chances with that bracket. You've got to give you got to get the most viewer buck that you can possibly get out of Duke in Tchaikovsky's last run that you can, that would certainly be the match up to do that. It's the O. G alongside joe Giulio. I'm jovial as we're at the Barclays center ahead of the A. C. C. Tournament in Brooklyn, three games on the slate today, starting with boston College and pit followed by N. C. 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Yeah I feel though it should be the only game of the at nine o'clock and that's the way it should be just the state fans and like the unhappy Virginia fans. Yeah. Yeah. What's so the thing is though if this game if this were taking place in Greensboro today there probably would be some sick offense that would show up to watch this N. C. State squad one last time or whatever it is because why not? What else am I doing on a random Tuesday? And the tickets are probably like five bucks but it's a little bit harder to do in Brooklyn. You recently wrote about this in the news and observer and the A. C. C. Tournament only has two more scheduled dates back to Greensboro next year than two D. C. Which I think most people have come around on and agree is a good tournament site for this version of the A. C. C. And it's also amusing to annoy Maryland fans while we're there. It really is the best part of it. I are they coming back to new york anytime soon or does it have to be a Madison square garden or bust? Alright if you're asking me I say it's msg or bust. I mean I think playing in Brooklyn you walk out the door like I've been walking back and forth to my hotel down Flatbush and it's like a working class neighborhood people going to work whatever is happening at Barclays, there's no reflection on their lives. The I don't know I haven't I've only been on the Subway once this year but I know the last time we hear the adds on the subway were for the Big East tournament. I didn't see I did not see any ads on the five train on my way here. Yeah it's it's it's just it's it's you can play it here but it's no different than like the you know degree invitational in november where you have Yukon and state and you know Richmond and Bradley playing like it's just another basketball game here. And to me that's what the A. C. C. Tournament it's never been about. It's always been more than a basketball game. And look we're never going back to 2001 and nine fan bases in the building for three days and it's a convention and it's a party and it's a rally and that's what made the A. C. C. That's what these schools like Syracuse and Notre dame wanted to be a part of. But they want to come here because they're trying to relive these memories they have of getting drunk in the corridors of Msg in these midnight Big East games and you just unless you're at Madison Square Garden which look I went over to the Big East tournament a couple years ago it's awesome. There's a reason they want to stay there but you're you're you're chasing this dream at some point. These schools are gonna have to embrace the fact that this is the conference, they joined and they need to get on board that said, this gets painted as a Brooklyn versus Greensboro debate and that's really a straw man because you don't need to go to Greensboro every year. The rotation should be and I think this is what you're getting at, it should be charlotte and Dc because they have downtown arenas surrounded by cool stuff and you don't have to drive to the arena every day like you do in Greensboro and their metro and like outside Dc, you walked outside the arena and it was like Greensboro in 2003, there's people from other teams and you gotta wake fan drinking next to a Carolina fan drinking next to a Syracuse fan drinking next to a Maryland fan who accidentally wandered in. But it's that old a CC vibe. And and then, so You mix in Greensboro on the anniversaries, I think they should play the 75th tournament in Raleigh. But I know no one agrees with me, I just think that would be awesome. Like, can you imagine if today's games were in Reynolds, right? Well, it would never be in Reynolds played the Tuesday games in Reynolds, that's, that's the pitch I made this pitch on a snow day a couple of years ago. Um and then go to go to Tampa, go to Atlanta Atlanta, we all want to go back to Tampa atlantic, I want to go to Pittsburgh, I wish the city of Pittsburgh would put in a bid. The building is awesome. There's a million hotels around the arena so everybody can stay by the building. And as craig, Meyer pointed out to me on twitter yesterday, there's any number of places that you can get absolutely bombed for $30 I would, I would say have media hospitality at the Super Bowl, which is my favorite Pittsburgh sports dive bar, but there's any number of places like that and then throw Brooklyn in that mix. So we're here once every eight years, every eight or nine years instead of three times in seven years, whatever it is, it's just not a very good tournament here. I think inside the building, you look at the last to the games have been fine, but you walk out the door and it's like, it never happened and you're, no one wants the tournament here. Like in Brooklyn, like they have the borough president, do some media thing yesterday, it's like, well that solves all the problems Well, I mean, look, my experience with the sec tournament being here, there was a novelty factor when it came here, the first time, I think people were hyped about it, it was cool. Um I don't think anybody, if you're looking at it from, the only thing I'll disagree on is if you're looking at it strictly from its Brooklyn only. Well then I think a good chunk of people are probably staying in Manhattan and then taking the train over here and watch a game while they do all the touristy stuff in Manhattan which gets to the larger issue. You know what all those other cities have that ah new york doesn't cheaper places to stay. I mean our guy joe Giulio forgot his pomade on this trip And he just dropped 20 bucks. It's organic. I mean that sounds like more of a you problem than a New York problem and you forgot your jacket to. That's going to cost. I did not bring an appropriate jacket so I can't I can't get pomade was $10 an ounce. I figured it out. There's 128 oz in a gallon which means $1,280 for that palm made by the Gallon. I mean you know that's legal in California. It's organic. Free range. You can buy it by the gallon in California stuff recognizes Observer joining us here. Actually there in person will say that he's the automotive group hotline that's job is I'm joe Julia. You mentioned the old A. C. C. The old A. C. C. Tournament, curious about your impressions from saturday because that's certainly felt like the end of the old A. C. C. To me. Yeah. Yeah. I I think there's some of that. And look I I should say I'm not some nostalgia just, you know, pining away for days of yours. I get why the SCC tournament isn't what it used to be. And I think we all understand that and I think there is a happy medium we can get to in a 15 team league. Uh, that makes everybody happy. I just don't think Brooklyn, is it? I think Msg would be it. Like if the A. C. C. Ever