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  • UConnrulz May 1, 2011
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    I apologize for insinuating that TOB was lying to Glennon.... in fact Russell Wilson states in this article that he would NOT have been given the chance to compete for the starting job...

    http://blogs.newsobserver.com/accnow/wilson-torn-up-about-leaving-nc-stateSo TOB is not a liar, however, one must question his sanity. of allowing one of the best players in State history to walk. Mike Glennon, or any athlete for that matter must understand that you are not guranteed a spot on the starting team you must earn it...and if there is competition for the job, then you will HAVE to earn it. If Glennon had transferred, he would have more than likely had to earn a starting spot also.... TOB handled this one wrong

  • UConnrulz May 1, 2011
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    TBK I want you to admit this was a wrong decision based on this ...

    1. TOB would have accepted Wilson back on the team - FACT
    2. Any player on the team should be allowed to compete for a starting job
    3. One of the best players in State history was going to be allowed back on the team but not allowed to compete for a starting job.

    State was moving forward with Glennon as their starter, if TOB didn't want Wilson back or thought the whole thing was a distraction he would have closed the door long ago. It is obvious that Wilson made this decision and not TOB, TOB would have made the decision the same day Wilson said he was playing baseball and not sure about football. Handled terribly imho, especially when you are dealing with "Mr NC State" himself Russell Wilson

  • careerman7370 May 1, 2011
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    IMO, this was not handled as well as it should be. However, TOB is not known to have 2 sport stars at QB, probably for this very reason. Russell was great for us and i thank him for all he's done. Now he's gone, and we move on whether we want to or not. Glennon will be ok but not a superstar. He has TOO MUCH arm. He hasn't shown the ablilty to take something OFF the ball to loft it in position when need be. You can't just sit in the pocket and throw 100 mph every play. His foot work will ok but not like Russell. However, the big thing is whether he can move WITHIN the pocket? That can be just as effective as running with the ball.

  • UConnrulz May 1, 2011
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    To be fair Glennon hasn't played yet, so the jury is still out on him, he has a fantastic opportunity to prove himself now. Russell Wilson was a known entity and a very good one imho - there is gonna be a team lucky to get him IF he plays football - which it is sounding more and more that he will.

    If TOB didn't want a 2 sport star he should have made that clear as soon as Wilson said he was going to split time between baseball and football last year. I keep saying that TOB would have accepted Wilson back this year - that doesn't lend itself to a coach who doesn't want two sport stars. The error, in my opinion, is that TOB has told Wilson that he wouldn't be able to compete for a starting position - everything in this matter was handled properly EXCEPT for that...and Wilson walked.

  • adambrock May 1, 2011
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    RW will be missed. I am as delusional as any state fan, but this will haunt us. You would have to be a fool to think we are better off without him. I got a chance to meet RW after the champs bowl, he is the definition of a class act. Glennon may become a star. RW already is a star. It is that simple.

  • sawdust65 May 1, 2011
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    TOB's biggest priority is to win games. If he doesn't, he loses his job. If he has to go all the way through spring and fall practice without his QB, it hurts his team. I love Russell and I wish him well, but there comes a time when you have to do what you have to do. I am with TOB and Glennon. Go Pack!

  • GoLower May 1, 2011
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    hmmmm...is it just me or is this a bigger quarterback controversy than anyone has known about all this time?

    I'd be pretty PO'd if I was a state fan. This is Russell Wilson we're talking about, not some mediocre "Paulus"-like second stringer! And I know how good RW is, I sat on those frozen-AZ$ bleachers in Kenan three or so years ago when he handed us a hiney-pillaging (thanks, censors) all day long.

    (I'll never forget the two state fans sitting among our SEA of Carolina fans..they were the only two people in that frozen-AZ$ stadium with their gloves off, because they wanted everyone around them to hear their non-stop clapping while we all sat suffering in non-victory.)

  • lmartin152 May 1, 2011
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    Don't know if State will be "better off" without Wilson or not, I think good or bad, right or wrong, everybody owes it to Mike Glennon to give him a chance. The guy has absolutely zero meaningful game experience. He's never had to run a 2:00 drive, he's never had to go for a tying score late in the 4th quarter, nothing. This is not intended as a knock on Coach O'Brien, just an observation that he's been behind one of the better athletes to ever play at State for the last three years.

    I do think Tom O'Brien, at least in his mind, had just reached a point where he wanted a definitive answer as to when, if ever, Russell Wilson would be in camp for NC State's football team and when that answer wasn't forthcoming, he placed a call to Russell. He may have not wanted to leave, and Tom O'Brien may not have wanted to get into the summer with a question mark as to when his redshirt senior all-star quarterback was going to be going through training with his teammates, either.

    Love Russell Wilson to death, he is an outstanding young man, but Tom O'Brien (in my opinion) just sent a message to everybody on State's football team now as well as in the future and that message is that no one is above the team. NC State football can't afford a Brett Favre prima donna "I might come back, well, I might not, well, I don't know ..." or a Roger Clemens above-the-law "I'll play, but only on this schedule, and I won't show up for spring training, and this, and that ..." situation. In today's world of the pampered, entitled athlete, thank God for Coach Tom O'Brien and his old-fashioned, USMC approach to football - even if it was at the expense of (potentially) Russell Wilson's final year of college eligibility. In the long run, NC State should be just fine, thank you.

  • tommybrownnc May 1, 2011
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    Couldn't have said it better! Two great minds DO think alike. :)

  • UConnrulz May 1, 2011
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    I disagree, a lot of the Pack Nation is talking about how TOB had to make a decision, I will say it again TOB made the decision to allow RW to come back...that door was open. The sticking point is whether he would have started or not.

    "I really want the fans, N.C. State alumni and most of all my teammates to know if I had been given an equal opportunity to compete for the starting job, I would not have asked for my release," Wilson said Saturday in a telephone interview. "I am a competitor." He said he didnt want to have the starting job handed to him on a silver platter , but wanted an equal chance to compete for it. Wilson said it didnt appear that he would be given that chance.

    If Wilson missing the spring practice season made him rusty it would show in practice and he would deserve to be the back up, if he was able to "pick up" where he left off, then State is better off with him. Plain and simple, the decision was made to appease Glennon, to make him stay. TOB didn't need to name Glennon as a starter he is the only one on the roster who could be a starter. Glennon knew that if Wilson returned the Pack nation would expect him to play, so he made the comments about TOB promising him the starting job on media day. What Glennon should have said is "I look forward to starting for the Pack, and I know there has been some talk about Russell Wilson coming back, however, I am confident in my ability to lead the Pack"

  • careerman7370 May 1, 2011
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    Again, we're beating a dead horse. He's gone. We don't make those decisions so all we can do is say thanks, good luck and move on.

    From now on, I'm not discussing Russell Wilson. Is he our QB? No. Is he still at NCSU? Until finals are over in the next week or 2. Who's our QB? Mike Glennon.

    TOB and the coaches have installed a new offense for Glennon. Wilson would have missed spring AND most of fall practice. H had to make a decision regarding his starter and he did. As a coach, as hard as it seems to do, I would have made the same decision.

    Go Pack! Can't wait to tailgate with the Nation!

  • NateACC May 1, 2011
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    This could have all been avoided if Russel would have simply stated his intentions of returning as QB long ago. Keeping his entire team in the dark was selfish. He did it 2 years in a row now and it's time to move on. The phrase "sheet" or get off the pot comes to mind. Looks like TOB decided enough is enough. A tough call but the right one for the "team". After all Football is a team sport. To allow one player special privilege is not a good idea.

  • UConnrulz May 1, 2011
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    Not sure how he kept the team in the dark - the team is moving on without him - they are not in the dark.
    TOB also said he would be welcomed back - the sticking point is "you are a backup"

    If Wilson said he might or will come back in Jan - Glennon would have transferred and you would have been without a QB during spring practice

  • The Dire_Wolf May 1, 2011
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    Or with out a QB at all if Wilson decides baseball is the better option. Tough decision, but ultimately the right one. Wilson is my favorite Wolfpack player of all time, yes, even ahead of Phillip Freakin' Rivers, and as much as I hate that it had to come to this its ultimately whats best. No one player is above the entire team. I see what your motive is here sportznut, but deep down I'm sure you know what I am saying is true.

  • SAC71GOPACK May 1, 2011
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    MG's the Pack's new (more than capable) leader.

    He's been groomed for this very thing. I have a feeling non Pack fans are going to wind up wishing RW had come back.

    I'm excited about how good their D's going to be... It aint easy to block JR Sweezy :)

    Can't wait!

  • Lost and Loaded May 1, 2011
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    Strange to see everyone anointing Glennon as their new savior at QB and how quickly they sweep Wilson under the rug and fail to really even scrutinize the decision by TOB to force Wilson to xfer if he wants play another year of college football as a starter.

    Reminds me of the stratospheric high hopes the Duke fans have already laid on their incoming freshman ( un-tested in the ACC) basketball recruits.

    Wilson is a very good QB and worthy of extra consideration outside of normal circumstance. He should be given the benefit of the doubt - he has earned it - Glennon has not.

    A fair deal would be to allow Wilson to at least come back and compete for his starting job again not to be automatically regulated to the bench.

    This could go sour for State very soon if Glennon proves to be an interception machine or can't reliably connect with anyone. Other than his arm and unknown football IQ, he really doesn't have anything else going for him. I doubt if TOB's confidence in Glennon will win games, only his production will.

  • Objective Scientist May 1, 2011
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    "Life" is not "simple", and this situation has some complexities to it... but, the "bottom line" centers around who is "in charge" - the coach or a player. Unless we are willing to dramatically change the dynamic between coach and player in sport - the coach MUST be "in charge". Although not an NCSU fan I have thoroughly enjoyed seeing Wilson play QB... He is GOOD and he is EXCITING! Nevertheless, if I were coach (and I have coached multiple sports) I could NOT allow a player to keep me and my entire team "hanging". IMO... O'Brien did what he had to do... and it was the right thing to do. We can never allow a player or players to dictate to a coach.

  • UConnrulz May 1, 2011
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    Why does everyone keep saying TOB made a decision? TOB's decision was to allow Wilson to return as a back up - that was his decision . Russell Wilson decided to cut ties. And in the end guaranteeing a starting spot to any player is not healthy for any team. BTW there are many fans on Pack pride that agree with my thinking - however it is a dead horse now - good luck to State their fb schedule has three guaranteed wins on it already. Cent mich , liberty and south ala. - looks like they will have a decent yr no matter who plays QB

  • lmartin152 May 1, 2011
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    ^sportznut628

    I see your point about TOB did not make a decision that Wilson was not coming back; however, my point was that TOB made a decision to "make" Wilson make a decision; i.e., while I don't like the word in this instance, for all practical purposes I think he gave Russell an ultimatum. Sort of along the lines of "Commit to me 'right now' that you will be back by (as an example) July 15 to begin fall training with your teammates ("pay his dues"). If you can't, we need to move on without you."

    That way, at least it's technically a "mutual" decision. I know, realize, and believe Russell Wilson is one of the best athletes, particularly quarterbacks, to ever play at NC State. That being said, I will echo Objective Scientist's post above: a coach can never allow a player to dictate what the course of the team will be. With that in mind, Tom O'Brien unquestionably made a decision. A decision to tell Russell Wilson to sh!t or get off the pot (sorry if people don't like that analogy, but it fits here).

  • BattlingBishop 5 May 1, 2011
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    I like the way TOB handled the RW situation. No ONE player is greater than the program/team. TOB made the right call on this, time for both sides to move forward.

  • Ken D. May 1, 2011
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    I would have to agree. If both these QBs had similar skill sets, and the offense would be pretty much the same no matter which one was in the game, TOB's need for a commitment from Wilson wouldn't be so great. But they don't, and he couldn't have his entire offense spend both spring and fall practice preparing for one offense and then scrap it all at the last minute.

    I'm disappointed in Wilson for the way he has handled this, and for the way he has now tried to undermine TOB who has been more than accommodating. Wilson is a good quarterback, but I think State fans have exaggerated how good he is. And I think Wilson has let fan comments on message boards and forums like this one convince him he has a bright future in the NFL. If he had put his name in this year's draft, I don't think it would have been a sure thing he'd have been picked.

    I think TOB made the right call under the circumstances.

  • kato_karma May 1, 2011
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    I'm with you on the 'if the QBs had similar skill sets' perspective.

    Regarding disappointment, I wonder if Wilson has been getting sound advice related to his strong desire to play both sports professionally. One must admire his confidence but maybe that kept him from realizing the logical repercussions of dragging out any commitment to TOB.

    As a college QB, the guy was outstanding...but we all know the NFL game is very, very different. Then again, his skill set would seem to translate well to the wide open passing game of the CFL.

    Bottom-line, Russell did what he thought he needed to do (good advise or no) and TOB made the right decision for the right reasons.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again02 May 1, 2011
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    I'll meet you halfway on this. Thanks for manning up, though. :)

    If Russell would be allowed to return, then he should have been allowed to compete equally for the job. I was surprised to hear him say he would not have had the chance. I still question how true that was. But I have to assume it is. I don't think Russell would lie about this.

    But at the same time, TOB was in a bad spot. He couldn't leave the door wide open, not even knowing if Russell would return or not. Because we'd have (possibly) lost Glennon. And if we lose Glennon, then Russell does not return, we're down to a couple of QB's with almost no experience. I think this was a game of chicken, and TOB wanted something more committal from Russell. Basically, if you're coming back, tell me now and/or come back now (in the Spring).

    The haters at SFN even agree with TOB on this, for the most part. You know if THEY agree with TOB on this, there must be something to it.

    I think it boils down to being too much of a risk that could have resulted with NO GLENNON and NO RUSSELL. TOB is a conservative guy. This can be viewed as him not being willing to risk Glennon since he could end up with neither.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again02 May 1, 2011
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    Good points, Ken, including the big one about Wilson not being as good as people think. He is pretty great, but he wasn't perfect this year. He threw some bad passes and interceptions with the game on the line some this year. And I remember a few that were thrown into double coverage that he was lucky to not be intercepted.

    I'm not running him down, though. Just agreeing on that point.

  • cwilliams843 May 2, 2011
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    Imma heel fan and when you say R.Wilson's talents have been exaggerated is an insult to him. He has saved so many plays with his feet and even playing UNC 3rd &19 he runs for a first down for 20+plus yard (lets see glennon do that) yea he made the process more difficult but don't down play his talents. Hopefully he plays well elsewhere. Vtech would have been nice but he cant be released to an ACCschool. Wish all is well with State & Wilson while UNC has their own QB issues

  • UConnrulz May 2, 2011
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    I get that train of thought, however, NC State has no options at this point but to name Glennon the starter, because Russell Wilson is undecided. This boils down to TOB naming Glennon the starter for the whole season - TOB has not refuted that it was for the whole year. There isn't a coach in college sports that would guarantee a starting spot to a player for the whole year.

    You and I both know that if Wilson was sitting on that sideline and the Pack was struggling that the Pack Nation would be going bezerk for Wilson to play, they wouldn't back TOB at all. I think TOB could have handled this much better - seeing Russell Wilson basically saying I would have come back if.....well you know

  • behindPack May 2, 2011
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    R. Wilson = Benedict Arnold

  • UConnrulz May 2, 2011
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    You are kidding right?

  • behindPack May 2, 2011
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    This guy obviously isnt one of us. He plays for Team Russell only. My opinion of him has changed drastically, hopefully he achieves his dream but he is no longer one of the PACK !!

  • Hans May 2, 2011
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    When Glennon stinks it up Wolfpack Nation will turn on TOB like rabid dogs. Just watch.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again02 May 2, 2011
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    No, because I don't think TOB had a choice in how to play this one.

    I already believe this year is the year that leads up to next year. Glennon probably won't be an all-star this year. He has to get some experience under his belt. I think that's what this year is about.

    Someone made a good point earlier, saying Russell ran for over 20 yards on 3rd and 19 against Carolina, and that Glennon won't be doing that for us this year. That's true. There are going to be times when we miss Russell's legs. But Russell also threw a few ill-advised passes into double coverage that got intercepted this year. He was intercepted twice inside the 10 yard line (one against FSU and one in overtime at ECU that cost us the game). Maybe that's where we'll LIKE Glennon.

  • BeastOnTheHill May 2, 2011
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    R. Wilson was the state QB for 3 season right? he compled a record of 20-18(11-13) right? Yes, he is a great athlete with his ability to make something out of nothing and provided some very exciting moments to watch. but all the great moments didn't add up to a great record. i think its the wins over UNC that bring most of his appeal to the red fans. if he loses 1 or two to UNC he is being sent out by the fans too.

  • SAC71GOPACK May 2, 2011
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    LOL
    at this hole fan purporting to know what "Wolfpack Nation" will do.

    classic.

  • 4tarheels May 2, 2011
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    Disagree. If State had lost one or two to the Heels then TOB (not RW) would have been shown the door. It's his wins over UNC that bought him time to finally compile a winning record last season.

  • careerman7370 May 2, 2011
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    From a coaches standpoint, TOB did what was the best for the team. As for what we'd be yelling if RW was on the sidelines.....it doesn't matter! He's not there and we would turn to probably Brosius.

    Russell is gone, the decisions are made. Can we please move on to something that may still impact the team?

  • NateACC May 2, 2011
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    "Although I remain undecided on the option of playing college football this coming season, I believe it is in the best interest of the players and coaches involved to end any speculation of my return to the Wolfpack," Wilson said in a statement. "It has become apparent that the time has come for the program to move on without me." Sounds like even Russel agrees it was time?

  • lmartin152 May 2, 2011
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    Will disagree with Russell's assertion that he wouldn't be given a fair chance to compete for the starting QB spot. He passed on his fair chance to compete by not reporting to spring practice with the rest of the team. Therefore, Russell Wilson made the decision to not be State's quarterback.

  • GhostofSmitty May 3, 2011
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    True that Marty, and as coach you cannot have a player running the team or making the decisions for the team. The Marine did what he needed to do for the good of the outfit. RW had to know that TOB could not sit Glennon and his loyalty with RW treating the State football team like a booty call. If he did not know, he does now. I really like RW but TOB wanted a commitment that RW was not prepared to give.

    BTW, there was a bozo named "Carl" that called in to Gold/Ovies show today and stated that TOB was a "coward" for taking RWs right away to compete for the position, like his civil rights had been violated. I did not have time to call in but if that guy is reading this I would love to see you go up and call TOB, a Marine, a "coward". Might be the last thing the guy ever does on earth. I thought Gold should have nailed the dude for the attempted character assassination but he didn't. Weak form Gold.

  • packster56 May 3, 2011
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    I think you have to look at what he did as an individual to see his true worth. Had he had a little more help from the defense in his first two seasons. He would've produced a very solid record. He showed he could get the offense to put points on the board unfortunately he couldn't keep the other team off the board. That's the D's job.

  • BattlingBishop 5 May 3, 2011
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    RW has only himself to think about & TOB is looking after the Pack program. A lot of fans understand why TOB handled this the way he did. As for those who don't get it, they probably never will. The coach gives the ultimatum, not the player, especially on the collge level. Besides, it wouldn't be fair to Glennon or the rest of the team to allow this to continue. Good call by TOB!

  • UConnrulz May 3, 2011
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    http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/2/1069217.html
    From Pack Pride.....it is not only me who thinks this way.

    The Coach didn't give an ultimatum - the coach was going to allow the player to come back. If the coach allows the player to come back then the player should be allowed to compete for the starting job - it is that simple. If the coach gave an ultimatum it SHOULD have been right before Wilson signed on the dotted line for baseball. "Russell if you sign that contract you understand I will have to release you from the football team with no chance of returning". THAT is an ultimatum. There is no other coach in America that would tell a player ..."yes you are on the team, but you can't compete for a starting job"

  • SAC71GOPACK May 3, 2011
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    who cares????

    I'm sure I can find kerlina posters on IC that will say that butch should be gone (in fact, I've read as much there).... does that mean they're right???

    RW made his own bed on this deal, and the team has (rightly) moved on.

    Build a bridge, and get over it.

  • Hans May 3, 2011
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    Taylor Zarzour said this morning that the RW incident shows how completely out of touch TOB is. This move has alienated a large portion of the fan base, and he echoed my sentiment that Wolfpack Nation will turn on TOB should Glennon struggle.

  • jam3 May 3, 2011
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    When Wilson signed the baseball contract, all bets were off for his football career. He was very fortunate that he was allowed to play football by the Rockies last year. They made it clear that he would play a full season this year. He made this choice to sign a baseball contract. That was his mistake! He could continued doing both in college, but this is what happens when you don't think things through. TOB is doing exactly what he's supposed to do. Look out for the football teams best interest now and in the future. This guy is asking for more special treatment and you cannot allow that. He was told if he did not attend spring practice, he would not start, period. TOB did not back down! Good for him! Right decision! Wilson should have stuck to football, that's where his future is, but maybe he can find the right situation. He'll never be as good as he could have been, because he must dedicate himself to one or the other. He'll figure it out at some point.

  • SAC71GOPACK May 3, 2011
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    LOL

    what fanbase doesN'T turn on their QB when he's struggling??? Do I need to provide you a link to you and YOUR fanbase BOOING TJ Yates???
    TOB made the RIGHT move, and his charges will agree, for they're the ones out their busting their humps during the heat of spring and summer while RW is quite simply.... NOT.

    You (a blatant hole fan) nor taylor mean a hill of beans to the vast MAJORITY of the Pack fanbase, or ANY of its players.

    accept that reality, however your pastel loving mind will allow you to.

  • jam3 May 3, 2011
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    This is not an incident! It's simply two people's judgement on what's best for all involved. Wilson was good and now he plays baseball. Glennon will not struggle and if he does, it's better this year than next. TOB is the coach and he's right. If Wilson does not participate in all practices(Spring and Fall) he should not be given a chance to start, period. That is a wise coaching decision and it sends a clear message to all players. Be here or be a back up. Zarzour is the one out of touch! It's called integrety or something like that. More coaches around here should have some. TOB runs a clean ship and has rules that must be followed. That's one reason State has the best football program around here.

  • SAC71GOPACK May 3, 2011
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    AG has a very astute comment yesterday on his show (since the hole fan has resorted to quoting talking heads on this, so will I), when he said that RW doesn't need a Sr. season to make it to the NFL.... and he went on to cite several players that didn't play a down last year (or played very few) that were ALL drafted. RW has the combine if he truly feels his game is NFL worthy.

    He made his bed, and he'll lie comfortably in it, and the vast MAJORITY of Pack Nation will continue to thank him profusely for his contributions to the program, wish him well in his future endeavors, and politely mock him for crying like a baby on his way out the door.

    RW is NOT bigger than Wolfpack Football Program, nor is any player/coach.

    facts-r-what-they-r!

  • SAC71GOPACK May 3, 2011
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    B-I-N-G-O, and Bingo was his name-O.

  • jbarron4950 May 3, 2011
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    RW will be missed. I am as delusional as any state fan, but this will haunt us. You would have to be a fool to think we are better off without him. I got a chance to meet RW after the champs bowl, he is the definition of a class act. Glennon may become a star. RW already is a star. It is that simple......By adambrock

    As a Carolina fan, I wish that he had left year before last. Glennon may turn out to be a good QB, but he will not be a Russell Wilson.....as we will all find out soon enough.

  • jbarron4950 May 3, 2011
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    MG's the Pack's new (more than capable) leader.

    He's been groomed for this very thing. I have a feeling non Pack fans are going to wind up wishing RW had come back.

    I'm excited about how good their D's going to be... It aint easy to block JR Sweezy :)

    Can't wait!.......By SAC71GOPACK

    So, are you saying that experience counts for nothing. The "D" may be good, but if you don't score on "O" what does that translate into? Carolina has a good "D" returning, but the offense is inexperienced and is still a huge question mark.

  • UConnrulz May 3, 2011
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    There is a guy who on here that always asks for links...can you provide the link for an IC writer critizing Butch Davis.....(not a poster - the link I provided is a writer for Pack Pride)

    I'll hang out and wait

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6 23 Darrell Wallace Jr 19
7 1 Ross Chastain 7
8 9 Chase Elliott 15
9 34 Michael McDowell 9
Crown Royal Purple Bag Project 200
Pos # Name Start Pos
1 7 Justin Allgaier 7
2 21 Austin Hill 5
3 00 Cole Custer 1
4 1 Sam Mayer 6
5 20 Aric Almirola 18
6 48 Parker Kligerman 11
7 98 Riley Herbst 9
8 2 Jesse Love 12
9 18 Sheldon Creed 3
Wright Brand 250
Pos # Name Start Pos
1 11 Corey Heim 12
2 9 Grant Enfinger 9
3 38 Layne Riggs 23
4 1 Brenden Queen 26
5 7 Sammy Smith 31
6 19 Christian Eckes 1
7 2 Nicholas Sanchez 2
8 18 Tyler Ankrum 21
9 43 Daniel Dye 18
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