Greatest coach - Dean Smith or Mike Krzyzewski?
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easystreet Apr 14, 2010
All Star
No contest. Go find someone in Dean's league then let's argue.
Waste of time.... and only something for the dookies to do until next basketball season. don't humor them..................let them crawl back under the rock and hibernate. -
Bassin731 Apr 14, 2010
Sports Legend
yes, this whole argument is stupid, and the fact that the same arguments just keep rotating themselves every 5 pages is stupid.. give it up people.
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Brackettville Apr 14, 2010
Sports Legend
We will not crawl back under any rock. Rather under the 2010 NCAA Championship trophy. -
wormwood33 Apr 14, 2010
Sports Legend
No contest. Go find someone in Dean's league then let's argue.
Waste of time.... and only something for the dookies to do until next basketball season. don't humor them..................let them crawl back under the rock and hibernate.
— Posted by easystreet
We will not crawl back under any rock. Rather under the 2010 NCAA Championship trophy.
— Posted by Brackettville
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Brackettville Apr 14, 2010
Sports Legend
Booyah
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4tarheels Apr 14, 2010
Sports Legend
Basketball season is over, summer is right around the corner, and football season is next. Get some sleep dookies and we'll wake you in October.
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Bassin731 Apr 14, 2010
Sports Legend
really?? a fire cannot continue without fuel.
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jrj6950 Apr 14, 2010
Sports Legend
Greatest coach.....Pete Bell (Blue Chips)
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MO_DUKE IS BANNED Apr 14, 2010
Sports Legend
No contest. Go find someone in Dean's league then let's argue.
Waste of time.... and only something for the dookies to do until next basketball season. don't humor them..................let them crawl back under the rock and hibernate.
— Posted by easystreet
The only other coach that I can think of who has had an altercation with a Clemson player is Woody Hayes but Woody got in a good right hook so I'll have to say woody by a TKO, so dean still loses. I don't know if they can be considered in the same league though, since Woody was a football coach.(LOL) Thud -
kennywalters Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
Really? First of all, Duke fans at this point want to boil the argument down to national championships being the end-all, be-all of college coaching. That would be fine, but if we are to do that then we have to stop complaining about kids being recruited even though we know they're going to jump to the pros, coaches like John Calipari, etc. After all, if national championships are the ONLY measure of a coach, then anything goes, right? However, I do believe that there are other criteria that must be examined. Integrity is one of them. Dean and K, for the most part, are men of integrity. They both have their foibles but neither is an evil person IMO. Another is to look at how their players have fared after college (and I don't mean just in the NBA). I can't speak for K's players as I don't follow Duke, but the vast majority of Dean's players turned out pretty good. I think K's players are probably the same, but the Duke fans would know better than I. Both men have set a standard of excellence that is expected at their respective schools that was not there prior to their arrival. Both men have garnered a level of professional respect that few college coaches will ever attain. So, the answer to the question is simple. Duke fans will tell you that K is greater. UNC fans will tell you that Dean is greater. Neither group is wrong, nor are they right. It is a matter of opinion which can be neither. No matter what numbers we put out to support our arguments, this is something that cannot be quantified. The question isn't which one won the most national titles. It isn't who won the most head-to-head. It is who is the better coach. Ultimately, coaching college basketball is about more than raw numbers, or at least it should be. I think sometimes we lose sight of that given the state of modern day sports.
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Brackettville Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
Really? First of all, Duke fans at this point want to boil the argument down to national championships being the end-all, be-all of college coaching. That would be fine, but if we are to do that then we have to stop complaining about kids being recruited even though we know they're going to jump to the pros, coaches like John Calipari, etc. After all, if national championships are the ONLY measure of a coach, then anything goes, right? However, I do believe that there are other criteria that must be examined. Integrity is one of them. Dean and K, for the most part, are men of integrity. They both have their foibles but neither is an evil person IMO. Another is to look at how their players have fared after college (and I don't mean just in the NBA). I can't speak for K's players as I don't follow Duke, but the vast majority of Dean's players turned out pretty good. I think K's players are probably the same, but the Duke fans would know better than I. Both men have set a standard of excellence that is expected at their respective schools that was not there prior to their arrival. Both men have garnered a level of professional respect that few college coaches will ever attain. So, the answer to the question is simple. Duke fans will tell you that K is greater. UNC fans will tell you that Dean is greater. Neither group is wrong, nor are they right. It is a matter of opinion which can be neither. No matter what numbers we put out to support our arguments, this is something that cannot be quantified. The question isn't which one won the most national titles. It isn't who won the most head-to-head. It is who is the better coach. Ultimately, coaching college basketball is about more than raw numbers, or at least it should be. I think sometimes we lose sight of that given the state of modern day sports.
— Posted by kennywalters
Man, you take the fun out of smack talk. ;)
Mike 4
Dean 2
LOL Just picking KW. You have valid points. I am not saying that NTs are the best measure of who is greatest. But, since my team's coach has more, I am talking smack. It is all in fun. -
TarHeels 23 Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
Someone may have already asked this. I don't want to read 82 pages of posts, but did Dean ever quit on his team and then throw the assistant coach under the bus?
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TarHeels 23 Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
Just curious, did Dean ever call in the staff of the Daily Tar Heel and rip them a new one?
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4tarheels Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
Really? First of all, Duke fans at this point want to boil the argument down to national championships being the end-all, be-all of college coaching. That would be fine, but if we are to do that then we have to stop complaining about kids being recruited even though we know they're going to jump to the pros, coaches like John Calipari, etc. After all, if national championships are the ONLY measure of a coach, then anything goes, right? However, I do believe that there are other criteria that must be examined. Integrity is one of them. Dean and K, for the most part, are men of integrity. They both have their foibles but neither is an evil person IMO. Another is to look at how their players have fared after college (and I don't mean just in the NBA). I can't speak for K's players as I don't follow Duke, but the vast majority of Dean's players turned out pretty good. I think K's players are probably the same, but the Duke fans would know better than I. Both men have set a standard of excellence that is expected at their respective schools that was not there prior to their arrival. Both men have garnered a level of professional respect that few college coaches will ever attain. So, the answer to the question is simple. Duke fans will tell you that K is greater. UNC fans will tell you that Dean is greater. Neither group is wrong, nor are they right. It is a matter of opinion which can be neither. No matter what numbers we put out to support our arguments, this is something that cannot be quantified. The question isn't which one won the most national titles. It isn't who won the most head-to-head. It is who is the better coach. Ultimately, coaching college basketball is about more than raw numbers, or at least it should be. I think sometimes we lose sight of that given the state of modern day sports.
— Posted by kennywalters
Man, you take the fun out of smack talk. ;)
Mike 4
Dean 2
LOL Just picking KW. You have valid points. I am not saying that NTs are the best measure of who is greatest. But, since my team's coach has more, I am talking smack. It is all in fun.
— Posted by BrackettvilleIt's all in fun, so I choose head to head over an extended period of time to determine best coach. How about a minimum of 17 years head to head? How about that? Dean and K just so happened to go at it for 17 years and Dean won more games in that series. Well, guess that settles it (for me). :-)
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frankbad15 Apr 15, 2010
Veteran
Its very close, i am not sure. I think UNC should of won more National Titles when Dean was coaching, I will say that. But keep in mind, UNC great players didn't stay in school long. Jordan, Carter, Wallace, Jamison, Stackhouse, if these players stayed all 4 years, Dean would of Won more.
Coach K, pushes his players to stay all 4 years. -
jrj6950 Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
Someone may have already asked this. I don't want to read 82 pages of posts, but did Dean ever quit on his team and then throw the assistant coach under the bus?
— Posted by TarHeels 23did he almost fight an opposing coach during a game? yep.
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4tarheels Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
Someone may have already asked this. I don't want to read 82 pages of posts, but did Dean ever quit on his team and then throw the assistant coach under the bus?
— Posted by TarHeels 23
did he almost fight an opposing coach during a game? yep.
— Posted by jrj6950Darn tooting he did and dadgum proud of it. That low life Ricky Barnes was going after one of his players and glad he stood up to him.
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Dreamchaser Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
Someone may have already asked this. I don't want to read 82 pages of posts, but did Dean ever quit on his team and then throw the assistant coach under the bus?
— Posted by TarHeels 23
did he almost fight an opposing coach during a game? yep.
— Posted by jrj6950Yes he did. I wonder if Coach K has ever had the guts to stand up for his players like that?
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jrj6950 Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
Someone may have already asked this. I don't want to read 82 pages of posts, but did Dean ever quit on his team and then throw the assistant coach under the bus?
— Posted by TarHeels 23
did he almost fight an opposing coach during a game? yep.
— Posted by jrj6950
Yes he did. I wonder if Coach K has ever had the guts to stand up for his players like that?
— Posted by Dreamchaserand by "stand up" you mean disgrace himself on national tv by almost getting into a brawl with another coach? he does stand up for his players, just not by physical altercations. its called class, not guts.
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jrj6950 Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
Someone may have already asked this. I don't want to read 82 pages of posts, but did Dean ever quit on his team and then throw the assistant coach under the bus?
— Posted by TarHeels 23
did he almost fight an opposing coach during a game? yep.
— Posted by jrj6950
Yes he did. I wonder if Coach K has ever had the guts to stand up for his players like that?
— Posted by Dreamchaser
and by "stand up" you mean disgrace himself on national tv by almost getting into a brawl with another coach? he does stand up for his players, just not by physical altercations. its called class, not guts.
— Posted by jrj6950oh yeah, duke 2010 national champs.
coach k 4 NTs'
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4tarheels Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
Someone may have already asked this. I don't want to read 82 pages of posts, but did Dean ever quit on his team and then throw the assistant coach under the bus?
— Posted by TarHeels 23
did he almost fight an opposing coach during a game? yep.
— Posted by jrj6950
Yes he did. I wonder if Coach K has ever had the guts to stand up for his players like that?
— Posted by Dreamchaser
and by "stand up" you mean disgrace himself on national tv by almost getting into a brawl with another coach? he does stand up for his players, just not by physical altercations. its called class, not guts.
— Posted by jrj6950Right, he has his players do the dirty work for him (ie. Laettner, Henderson, etc. etc.).
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Dreamchaser Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
Someone may have already asked this. I don't want to read 82 pages of posts, but did Dean ever quit on his team and then throw the assistant coach under the bus?
— Posted by TarHeels 23
did he almost fight an opposing coach during a game? yep.
— Posted by jrj6950
Yes he did. I wonder if Coach K has ever had the guts to stand up for his players like that?
— Posted by Dreamchaser
and by "stand up" you mean disgrace himself on national tv by almost getting into a brawl with another coach? he does stand up for his players, just not by physical altercations. its called class, not guts.
— Posted by jrj6950If that makes you feel better then by all means keep believing it. I think it was the manly thing to do in that situation.
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eskinn4440 Apr 15, 2010
Towel Boy
Realistically, Smith may have had better players, but he also coached in what was a consistently more competitive period both in the conference & in the nation. The mass exodus of the nation's best players to the NBA - many of them straight out of high school, now after a year or two of college - has made sure of that. Most would agree that schools like NCSU, Wake, Clemson, Maryland & Virginia had their best teams during the time Dean dominated the league.
Further, Dean was an innovator who changed the direction of the sport in ways K has not. K is a good recruiter and a master motivator who excels at getting the most from his kids. But K has nothing on his resume like the run-and-jump defense, the four corners (which singlehandedly brought about the shot clock), the foul line huddle, etc, etc, etc.
The easiest way to determine who is best may well be number of wins or championships; I tend to think it is what you bring to the game, the total package. As a result, I believe there are "great" coaches out there whose names we will never hear. Why? They don't attract the kind of talent Dean or K enjoy or they coach in one of the lower divisions or they simply aren't members of a high-profile conference in a basketball hotbed. In short, winning can't be the only measuring stick. If it is, then we'd have to rank crooks like Calipari & Tarkanian as members of the "best ever club".
It is easy now, with Dean's memory fading as K and Roy dominate the current scene, to vote for the hot, familiar thing. Right now, in the wake of a national championship, that would be Coach K. Those of us old enough, however, remember Smith as the King of Coaches at a time when the college basketball landscape had room for a number of giants, including John Wooden, Denny Crum, Jerry Tarkanian, Al McGuire, Norm Sloan, Adolph Rupp & Joe B. Hall, Bobby Knight and yes, a young Mike Krzyzewski.
Head-to-head, I'll take Dean every time. Better teacher, recruiter & coach. -
jrj6950 Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
did he almost fight an opposing coach during a game? yep.
— Posted by jrj6950
Yes he did. I wonder if Coach K has ever had the guts to stand up for his players like that?
— Posted by Dreamchaser
and by "stand up" you mean disgrace himself on national tv by almost getting into a brawl with another coach? he does stand up for his players, just not by physical altercations. its called class, not guts.
— Posted by jrj6950
If that makes you feel better then by all means keep believing it. I think it was the manly thing to do in that situation.
— Posted by Dreamchaserand if it makes you feel better that physical violence is the only way to solve problems, then by all means keep believing it.
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jrj6950 Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
did he almost fight an opposing coach during a game? yep.
— Posted by jrj6950
Yes he did. I wonder if Coach K has ever had the guts to stand up for his players like that?
— Posted by Dreamchaser
and by "stand up" you mean disgrace himself on national tv by almost getting into a brawl with another coach? he does stand up for his players, just not by physical altercations. its called class, not guts.
— Posted by jrj6950
Right, he has his players do the dirty work for him (ie. Laettner, Henderson, etc. etc.).
— Posted by 4tarheelsright, because NO unc players have ever played dirty, ever. spare me the bs. unc fans crying because hansborough got a bloody nose and laettner stepped on a guy, its basketball, can't deal with it? don't watch it. you probably have never played on a school team, a rec league, or a pick up game, because dirty play happens in all of those. not to mention in every sport (with a few exceptions). so please, cry me a river.
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jrj6950 Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
Realistically, Smith may have had better players, but he also coached in what was a consistently more competitive period both in the conference & in the nation. The mass exodus of the nation's best players to the NBA - many of them straight out of high school, now after a year or two of college - has made sure of that. Most would agree that schools like NCSU, Wake, Clemson, Maryland & Virginia had their best teams during the time Dean dominated the league.
Further, Dean was an innovator who changed the direction of the sport in ways K has not. K is a good recruiter and a master motivator who excels at getting the most from his kids. But K has nothing on his resume like the run-and-jump defense, the four corners (which singlehandedly brought about the shot clock), the foul line huddle, etc, etc, etc.
The easiest way to determine who is best may well be number of wins or championships; I tend to think it is what you bring to the game, the total package. As a result, I believe there are "great" coaches out there whose names we will never hear. Why? They don't attract the kind of talent Dean or K enjoy or they coach in one of the lower divisions or they simply aren't members of a high-profile conference in a basketball hotbed. In short, winning can't be the only measuring stick. If it is, then we'd have to rank crooks like Calipari & Tarkanian as members of the "best ever club".
It is easy now, with Dean's memory fading as K and Roy dominate the current scene, to vote for the hot, familiar thing. Right now, in the wake of a national championship, that would be Coach K. Those of us old enough, however, remember Smith as the King of Coaches at a time when the college basketball landscape had room for a number of giants, including John Wooden, Denny Crum, Jerry Tarkanian, Al McGuire, Norm Sloan, Adolph Rupp & Joe B. Hall, Bobby Knight and yes, a young Mike Krzyzewski.
Head-to-head, I'll take Dean every time. Better teacher, recruiter & coach.
— Posted by eskinn4440nice opinion, im still taking K.
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kennywalters Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
Really? First of all, Duke fans at this point want to boil the argument down to national championships being the end-all, be-all of college coaching. That would be fine, but if we are to do that then we have to stop complaining about kids being recruited even though we know they're going to jump to the pros, coaches like John Calipari, etc. After all, if national championships are the ONLY measure of a coach, then anything goes, right? However, I do believe that there are other criteria that must be examined. Integrity is one of them. Dean and K, for the most part, are men of integrity. They both have their foibles but neither is an evil person IMO. Another is to look at how their players have fared after college (and I don't mean just in the NBA). I can't speak for K's players as I don't follow Duke, but the vast majority of Dean's players turned out pretty good. I think K's players are probably the same, but the Duke fans would know better than I. Both men have set a standard of excellence that is expected at their respective schools that was not there prior to their arrival. Both men have garnered a level of professional respect that few college coaches will ever attain. So, the answer to the question is simple. Duke fans will tell you that K is greater. UNC fans will tell you that Dean is greater. Neither group is wrong, nor are they right. It is a matter of opinion which can be neither. No matter what numbers we put out to support our arguments, this is something that cannot be quantified. The question isn't which one won the most national titles. It isn't who won the most head-to-head. It is who is the better coach. Ultimately, coaching college basketball is about more than raw numbers, or at least it should be. I think sometimes we lose sight of that given the state of modern day sports.
— Posted by kennywalters
Man, you take the fun out of smack talk. ;)
Mike 4
Dean 2
LOL Just picking KW. You have valid points. I am not saying that NTs are the best measure of who is greatest. But, since my team's coach has more, I am talking smack. It is all in fun.
— Posted by BrackettvilleI'm just tired of 83 pages of the same tired stuff.
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BeastOnTheHill Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
84 (YAWN~!)
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4tarheels Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
^Until football season draws closer, we don't have much else to discuss. Start a new thread or something.
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heelman73 Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
Yes he did. I wonder if Coach K has ever had the guts to stand up for his players like that?
— Posted by Dreamchaser
and by "stand up" you mean disgrace himself on national tv by almost getting into a brawl with another coach? he does stand up for his players, just not by physical altercations. its called class, not guts.
— Posted by jrj6950
Right, he has his players do the dirty work for him (ie. Laettner, Henderson, etc. etc.).
— Posted by 4tarheels
right, because NO unc players have ever played dirty, ever. spare me the bs. unc fans crying because hansborough got a bloody nose and laettner stepped on a guy, its basketball, can't deal with it? don't watch it. you probably have never played on a school team, a rec league, or a pick up game, because dirty play happens in all of those. not to mention in every sport (with a few exceptions). so please, cry me a river.
— Posted by jrj6950Why don't you start listing the instances of Carolina players playing dirty. I bet you can't even name an instance of a hard foul.
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Brackettville Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
Really? First of all, Duke fans at this point want to boil the argument down to national championships being the end-all, be-all of college coaching. That would be fine, but if we are to do that then we have to stop complaining about kids being recruited even though we know they're going to jump to the pros, coaches like John Calipari, etc. After all, if national championships are the ONLY measure of a coach, then anything goes, right? However, I do believe that there are other criteria that must be examined. Integrity is one of them. Dean and K, for the most part, are men of integrity. They both have their foibles but neither is an evil person IMO. Another is to look at how their players have fared after college (and I don't mean just in the NBA). I can't speak for K's players as I don't follow Duke, but the vast majority of Dean's players turned out pretty good. I think K's players are probably the same, but the Duke fans would know better than I. Both men have set a standard of excellence that is expected at their respective schools that was not there prior to their arrival. Both men have garnered a level of professional respect that few college coaches will ever attain. So, the answer to the question is simple. Duke fans will tell you that K is greater. UNC fans will tell you that Dean is greater. Neither group is wrong, nor are they right. It is a matter of opinion which can be neither. No matter what numbers we put out to support our arguments, this is something that cannot be quantified. The question isn't which one won the most national titles. It isn't who won the most head-to-head. It is who is the better coach. Ultimately, coaching college basketball is about more than raw numbers, or at least it should be. I think sometimes we lose sight of that given the state of modern day sports.
— Posted by kennywalters
Man, you take the fun out of smack talk. ;)
Mike 4
Dean 2
LOL Just picking KW. You have valid points. I am not saying that NTs are the best measure of who is greatest. But, since my team's coach has more, I am talking smack. It is all in fun.
— Posted by Brackettville
I'm just tired of 83 pages of the same tired stuff.
— Posted by kennywalters
So am I. Both were/are great coaches.
Duke 2010 National Champions! -
Brackettville Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
and by "stand up" you mean disgrace himself on national tv by almost getting into a brawl with another coach? he does stand up for his players, just not by physical altercations. its called class, not guts.
— Posted by jrj6950
Right, he has his players do the dirty work for him (ie. Laettner, Henderson, etc. etc.).
— Posted by 4tarheels
right, because NO unc players have ever played dirty, ever. spare me the bs. unc fans crying because hansborough got a bloody nose and laettner stepped on a guy, its basketball, can't deal with it? don't watch it. you probably have never played on a school team, a rec league, or a pick up game, because dirty play happens in all of those. not to mention in every sport (with a few exceptions). so please, cry me a river.
— Posted by jrj6950
Why don't you start listing the instances of Carolina players playing dirty. I bet you can't even name an instance of a hard foul.
— Posted by heelman73
Every time Hansbrough lowered his shoulder and didn't get called for a charge. -
BeastOnTheHill Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
still crying over how Hans owned the entire d00k team, coach and stadium huh? get over it already. can't you just be happy d00k got another title? Hans was to much MAN for d00ks boys, admit it.
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davidvanwagener Apr 15, 2010
Veteran
They won national titles, Olympic gold, multiple ACC crowns. But between Dean Smith and Mike Krzyzewski, who do you think was the best coach?
— Posted by dhuffmanThis is one of my least favorite types of question. It evokes strong feelings in participants, nobody ever convinces someone on the other side to change sides, anything anybody says is opinion and NOTHING is provable. Everybody will cite a useless statistic that favors THEIR candidate.
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conrad27713 Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
I still believe that D.Smith is the ACC all time greatest coach in the history of the league for many different reasons other than winning for now. But K is right there on his heels of Smith. But within the next 10 or so yrs alone with a couple more reg. seasons & tournment titles. And there will be no doubts about who is the ACC all time greatest coach. It would be K. Now can he move a head of J. Wotten in NC's. I seriously doubt it.
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Dreamchaser Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
I still believe that D.Smith is the ACC all time greatest coach in the history of the league for many different reasons other than winning for now. But K is right there on his heels of Smith. But within the next 10 or so yrs alone with a couple more reg. seasons & tournment titles. And there will be no doubts about who is the ACC all time greatest coach. It would be K. Now can he move a head of J. Wotten in NC's. I seriously doubt it.
— Posted by conrad27713Do you really think Coach K will coach till he is 73 or older?
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Bassin731 Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
They won national titles, Olympic gold, multiple ACC crowns. But between Dean Smith and Mike Krzyzewski, who do you think was the best coach?
— Posted by dhuffman
This is one of my least favorite types of question. It evokes strong feelings in participants, nobody ever convinces someone on the other side to change sides, anything anybody says is opinion and NOTHING is provable. Everybody will cite a useless statistic that favors THEIR candidate.
— Posted by davidvanwagenerexactly why i`ve said this is stupid 8, 23, 41,60,72,and 84 pages ago lol
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heelman73 Apr 15, 2010
Sports Legend
Right, he has his players do the dirty work for him (ie. Laettner, Henderson, etc. etc.).
— Posted by 4tarheels
right, because NO unc players have ever played dirty, ever. spare me the bs. unc fans crying because hansborough got a bloody nose and laettner stepped on a guy, its basketball, can't deal with it? don't watch it. you probably have never played on a school team, a rec league, or a pick up game, because dirty play happens in all of those. not to mention in every sport (with a few exceptions). so please, cry me a river.
— Posted by jrj6950
Why don't you start listing the instances of Carolina players playing dirty. I bet you can't even name an instance of a hard foul.
— Posted by heelman73
Every time Hansbrough lowered his shoulder and didn't get called for a charge.
— Posted by BrackettvilleProvide us a link to any video of dirty play by Hansbrough.
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rhewitt4 Apr 15, 2010
Towel Boy
Roy Williams will turn out to be best college coach ever? Where did that come from? Roy was lost this year. K best ever.
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Brackettville Apr 16, 2010
Sports Legend
They won national titles, Olympic gold, multiple ACC crowns. But between Dean Smith and Mike Krzyzewski, who do you think was the best coach?
— Posted by dhuffman
This is one of my least favorite types of question. It evokes strong feelings in participants, nobody ever convinces someone on the other side to change sides, anything anybody says is opinion and NOTHING is provable. Everybody will cite a useless statistic that favors THEIR candidate.
— Posted by davidvanwagener
Useless category you speak of:
Mike 4
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Brackettville Apr 16, 2010
Sports Legend
right, because NO unc players have ever played dirty, ever. spare me the bs. unc fans crying because hansborough got a bloody nose and laettner stepped on a guy, its basketball, can't deal with it? don't watch it. you probably have never played on a school team, a rec league, or a pick up game, because dirty play happens in all of those. not to mention in every sport (with a few exceptions). so please, cry me a river.
— Posted by jrj6950
Why don't you start listing the instances of Carolina players playing dirty. I bet you can't even name an instance of a hard foul.
— Posted by heelman73
Every time Hansbrough lowered his shoulder and didn't get called for a charge.
— Posted by Brackettville
Provide us a link to any video of dirty play by Hansbrough.
— Posted by heelman73
I don't need to. Look at how many trips to the free throw line he was handed. -
mitdaman Apr 20, 2010
All Star
unc fan1 I was referring to tarheel skier's comment!
Yes Duke is a wondeful elite school with fantastic professors professing their knowledge to the community and to the student body. Like when they passed judgment on THEIR OWN STUDENTS without seeing any evidence or hearing any arguments. What scholarly scholars they and the Duke community are.
What did that have to do with who's the greatest Acc coach, Coach K or Smith. I was talking about the sheer number of UNC students compared to Duke students. And that Smith would win the poplular vote because of that. You UNC fans are all the same. Plus you can't read in context. Skier brought up the Duke Lacrosse Case. Where did that come from. That's why I brought up the Rose Bowl played at Wallace Wade stadium. It's an of the wall comment that has nothing to do with who's the best coach. As for me and my house we are true blue. I would much rather have my degree from Duke than UNC. Long live Coach K!! He deserves and is the Greatest coach to ever coach in the ACC. Live with that Clinton boy!!
— Posted by mdmangum
I'd say it had everything to do with you invoking the respective number of students at each school even if your totals were a bit inaccurate. As for the Duke lacrosse case, it was obviously used as an example of Duke's academic elite being quick to rush to judgement of a group of young men who, ultimately, were at least innocent of the crime with which they were charged.
As for the actual subject of this topic, the argument is moot. UNC fans will say Smith. Duke fans will say K. Everyone else will sit around wishing they'd have had either's long term success at their favorite school.
— Posted by kennywalters
Not really. I'm a UNC fan and I think coach K has the edge. Dean used a totally different method of coaching. He got way more NBA talent but they all left early - too early to win it all. K recruited way less talent and kept them 4 years - players like Hurley and Laetner. They were never any good at the next level (Hurley didn't really play) but they stayed in college 4 years and they won because of it.
If you think about it, WHAT IF Rasheed Wallace and Jerry Stackhouse stay in colleges, just until they were juniors. You would then have had a team with Ed cota, Jerry Stackhouse, Rasheed Wallas, Antwan Jamison, Vince Carter, etc. That team could beat most NBA teams. My point is, every one of those players except Ed Cota left college early.
K, on the other hand kept players like Johnny Dawkins, Hurley, Laetner, Shane Battier, etc 4 years and he went deeper in the tournament because of it.
Was K better than Dean at a game plan, X's and O's - No, not by a long shot. In fact, coach K got beat 8 out of 12 times leading up to Deans retirement and trailed Dean by 8 games in the series. But, K recruited different players, and kept them 4 years and went deeper in the tournament because of it.
Is K a better coach - No. Is K's idea of what players to recruit maybe better - Yes.
If there was a rule that kept players in college for 4 years - Dean would have more titles that K because he had better players but IF's aren't reality.
In my opinion, - K had a better system of coaching and that's why he has more wins and more titles than Dean. Both are dmn good coaches. -
Brackettville Apr 20, 2010
Sports Legend
K has had his fair share of early exits that could have earned him even more NT's.
Deng
Jason Williams
Dunleavy
Boozer
Avery
Brand Magette McRoberts Gerald Henderson (we won anyways) -
mitdaman Apr 20, 2010
All Star
K has had his fair share of early exits that could have earned him even more NT's.
Deng
Jason Williams
Dunleavy
Boozer
Avery
Brand Magette McRoberts Gerald Henderson (we won anyways)
— Posted by Brackettville
Yes, that's true. But look at the list.
Deng - Duke gets beat in the tournament by UCONN
Jason Williams - He leaves a a junior but Duke wins a title with him with senior leadership from Shane Battier and company. They were all Juniors and seniors - older players. If you look at Dukes other 3 titles, they were won with alot of older leadership type players.
THink about it, what if Brand, Magette, and McRoberts stays another year? You would have won a title. Instead, Brand and Magette are on one of the most dominant teams i've ever seen and they get beat again by UCONN in the title game.
These were all dean smith type recruits and they all left duke early.
K has 4 titles. He won only 1 with alot of players that left early - 2001 and even then he had a ton of senior leadership in battier, Nate James, and Chris Carrawell. -
Brackettville Apr 20, 2010
Sports Legend
K has had his fair share of early exits that could have earned him even more NT's.
Deng
Jason Williams
Dunleavy
Boozer
Avery
Brand Magette McRoberts Gerald Henderson (we won anyways)
— Posted by Brackettville
Yes, that's true. But look at the list.
Deng - Duke gets beat in the tournament by UCONN
Jason Williams - He leaves a a junior but Duke wins a title with him with senior leadership from Shane Battier and company. They were all Juniors and seniors - older players. If you look at Dukes other 3 titles, they were won with alot of older leadership type players.
THink about it, what if Brand, Magette, and McRoberts stays another year? You would have won a title. Instead, Brand and Magette are on one of the most dominant teams i've ever seen and they get beat again by UCONN in the title game.
These were all dean smith type recruits and they all left duke early.
K has 4 titles. He won only 1 with alot of players that left early - 2001 and even then he had a ton of senior leadership in battier, Nate James, and Chris Carrawell.
— Posted by mitdaman
Chris Carrawell was not on the 2001 team. He graduated before that, 2000 I think. -
cdhodges81 Apr 29, 2010
Sports Legend
Dean may not have as many National Championships as K but Dean coached during the Wooden years. If championship rings are the deciding factor for people, does that mean Jim Harrick is as good a coach as Jim Boeheim, John Thompson or Gary Williams. And Billy Donovan is as a better coach than Phog Allen. Big picture...Dean had a 96% graduation rate, helped desegrate his university, brought philosophies to college basketball that other teams use today and taught his players the game at such a level that many have become good coaches in their own right.
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BeastOnTheHill Apr 30, 2010
Sports Legend
I offer the following compromise.
UNC currently has the better basketball program.
D00k currently has the better basketball coach. -
cdhodges81 Apr 30, 2010
Sports Legend
Anyone can go through a Sociology program...it's pretty f'n easy
Four corners sure beat the hell out of Duke. And Coach K runs it now once he gets a lead...only difference is there is a shot clock.
For all your posts, you really aren't that knowledgeable about the sport huh? Just talk in a lot of circles...typical Dookie
So if something was gonna be done one way or another, no one gets credit?? Forget Columbus, somebody would have stumbled on America. Whats the big deal about Obama...we would have had another black president eventually, right? Fact is, THEY accomplished things.
I'll take your Matt Doherty and raise you Larry Brown, George Karl, Roy Williams. What can you offer up??? Pete Gaudet? Tommy Amaker??? The immortal Quin Snyder. -
mitdaman Apr 30, 2010
All Star
Hey, I'm a UNC fan but you made a list of really good points. I agree with all.
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BattlingBishop 5 Apr 30, 2010
Sports Legend
^^BDF2.0.....good stuff
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