Greatest coach - Dean Smith or Mike Krzyzewski?
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ssjack830 Jan 10, 2011
Sports Legend
national titles is not the only measure...just the only one duke fans want to consider...Dean coached for a decade where you had to win the ACC to go to the tourney...and there are many records he stills owns...not that it really matters or that anyone will really care. loyalties are set.
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sbduke Jan 10, 2011
All Star
The question should be Who is the Greatest coach between Dean Smith, Roy Williams, or Billy Donovan because they all have two National Titles. Billy did go back to back though so that might not be fair either. Dean vs Roy I guess
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VT1994Hokie Jan 10, 2011
Sports Legend
This one has proudly gotten some ink. Both are great coaches. Long live Dean Smith.
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VT1994Hokie Jan 10, 2011
Sports Legend
"They're"
Maybe you can win another $5.00?
As to your "highest academic standards in the country," does that include plagiarism and grammar/vocabulary? I think Stanford, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Brown may have to disagree there. You know, the REAL Ivy League schools? The only point you're making is that you are immature and childish. And sorely lacking in any basketball knowledge other than that at the end of your nose. Doc, have you noticed NO Duke fans here defending you? That may be a hint that you are wayyyy off base. Just a thought. Enjoy your game.
BTW, I don't have any co-workers, I own the company. They are called employees.
— Posted by TarheelTurtleJust read this one. Good job, Turtle.
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BattlingBishop 5 Jan 10, 2011
Sports Legend
funny how you ignored it...think we all know how pointless this is...like all those funny blue numbers that would take weeks to read...two of the faces on mt rushmore of college bball...Best coach - advantage Coach K, although head-to-head shouldn't be ignored.
Best program - advantage UNC
Best player - advantage David Thompson...IMO
— Posted by BattlingBishop 5
— Posted by ssjack830It's an OPINION, deal with it! Ex......IMO
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ssjack830 Jan 10, 2011
Sports Legend
Best coach - advantage Coach K, although head-to-head shouldn't be ignored.
Best program - advantage UNC
Best player - advantage David Thompson...IMO
— Posted by BattlingBishop 5funny how you ignored it...think we all know how pointless this is...like all those funny blue numbers that would take weeks to read...two of the faces on mt rushmore of college bball...
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BattlingBishop 5 Jan 5, 2011
Sports Legend
Best coach - advantage Coach K, although head-to-head shouldn't be ignored.
Best program - advantage UNC
Best player - advantage David Thompson...IMO -
tommybrownnc Jan 4, 2011
Sports Legend
As a Tarheel fan, I cannot help but respect the coaching ability of Coach K.
As far as comparing Dean Smith and K, rediculous. They coached in different eras, and both are great.
— Posted by dannygWell, you won't last on here. Too much logic and common sense! :)
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TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Jan 3, 2011
Sports Legend
^ Exactly, Danny!
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dannyg Dec 30, 2010
Towel Boy
As a Tarheel fan, I cannot help but respect the coaching ability of Coach K.
As far as comparing Dean Smith and K, rediculous. They coached in different eras, and both are great. -
BeastOnTheHill Dec 30, 2010
Sports Legend
well you can forget that, hehe is no where near adulthood.
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jrj6950 Dec 30, 2010
Sports Legend
22 years head coaching for Roy, 2 titles. (A NT every 11yrs)
35 years head coaching for K, 4 titles. (A NT every 8.75yrs)
What was that about keeping pace again?
— Posted by jrj6950
Let me help out those who don't comprehend English well. "...since Roy came home" means since 2003 (as the comment was about the post-Dean era). So, to re-do the math ...
7 years for Roy, 2 titles (one every 3.5 years)
1 title for k (A NT every 7 yrs)
That might be keeping pace in dook math, but not anywhere else.
— Posted by heelman73
Roid has 1.5 titles.....so his rate is 4.666666666 or any other time he is handed a chance to win something important. Plus im not sure they will have these last 2 titles until the NCAA is done with their investagation.......so i think we should just leave it at that for right now.
— Posted by outroykickme
1.5 titles........So I ask this question for the last time........If its so easy to win with someone elses recruits why dont all great coaches come in and do it?? You've stated on these boards several times that K is the greatest ever yet he failed at coming in and winning right away unlike Roy who took players he probably wouldnt have recruited and led them to the titile. So I have a great idea.....lets leave it at 2 national championships until you can explain this like an adult!!
— Posted by larrys080Who is to say the level of talent was the same for the recruits that Coach K and Roy each took over?
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ssjack830 Dec 30, 2010
Sports Legend
Let me help out those who don't comprehend English well. "...since Roy came home" means since 2003 (as the comment was about the post-Dean era). So, to re-do the math ...
7 years for Roy, 2 titles (one every 3.5 years)
1 title for k (A NT every 7 yrs)
That might be keeping pace in dook math, but not anywhere else.
— Posted by heelman73
Roid has 1.5 titles.....so his rate is 4.666666666 or any other time he is handed a chance to win something important. Plus im not sure they will have these last 2 titles until the NCAA is done with their investagation.......so i think we should just leave it at that for right now.
— Posted by outroykickme
1.5 titles........So I ask this question for the last time........If its so easy to win with someone elses recruits why dont all great coaches come in and do it?? You've stated on these boards several times that K is the greatest ever yet he failed at coming in and winning right away unlike Roy who took players he probably wouldnt have recruited and led them to the titile. So I have a great idea.....lets leave it at 2 national championships until you can explain this like an adult!!
— Posted by larrys080
Who the hell said Coach roid was a 'great' coach......he is the second most overrated coach behind Dean.......
— Posted by outroykickmeyour crassness is only exceeded by your ignorance.
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outroykickme Dec 30, 2010
Sports Legend
22 years head coaching for Roy, 2 titles. (A NT every 11yrs)
35 years head coaching for K, 4 titles. (A NT every 8.75yrs)
What was that about keeping pace again?
— Posted by jrj6950
Let me help out those who don't comprehend English well. "...since Roy came home" means since 2003 (as the comment was about the post-Dean era). So, to re-do the math ...
7 years for Roy, 2 titles (one every 3.5 years)
1 title for k (A NT every 7 yrs)
That might be keeping pace in dook math, but not anywhere else.
— Posted by heelman73
Roid has 1.5 titles.....so his rate is 4.666666666 or any other time he is handed a chance to win something important. Plus im not sure they will have these last 2 titles until the NCAA is done with their investagation.......so i think we should just leave it at that for right now.
— Posted by outroykickme
1.5 titles........So I ask this question for the last time........If its so easy to win with someone elses recruits why dont all great coaches come in and do it?? You've stated on these boards several times that K is the greatest ever yet he failed at coming in and winning right away unlike Roy who took players he probably wouldnt have recruited and led them to the titile. So I have a great idea.....lets leave it at 2 national championships until you can explain this like an adult!!
— Posted by larrys080Who the hell said Coach roid was a 'great' coach......he is the second most overrated coach behind Dean.......
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larrys080 Dec 29, 2010
Sports Legend
^ Can he be blamed for the fact that he hasn't kept pace in national titles since Roy came home?
— Posted by heelman73
22 years head coaching for Roy, 2 titles. (A NT every 11yrs)
35 years head coaching for K, 4 titles. (A NT every 8.75yrs)
What was that about keeping pace again?
— Posted by jrj6950
Let me help out those who don't comprehend English well. "...since Roy came home" means since 2003 (as the comment was about the post-Dean era). So, to re-do the math ...
7 years for Roy, 2 titles (one every 3.5 years)
1 title for k (A NT every 7 yrs)
That might be keeping pace in dook math, but not anywhere else.
— Posted by heelman73
Roid has 1.5 titles.....so his rate is 4.666666666 or any other time he is handed a chance to win something important. Plus im not sure they will have these last 2 titles until the NCAA is done with their investagation.......so i think we should just leave it at that for right now.
— Posted by outroykickme1.5 titles........So I ask this question for the last time........If its so easy to win with someone elses recruits why dont all great coaches come in and do it?? You've stated on these boards several times that K is the greatest ever yet he failed at coming in and winning right away unlike Roy who took players he probably wouldnt have recruited and led them to the titile. So I have a great idea.....lets leave it at 2 national championships until you can explain this like an adult!!
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heelman73 Dec 29, 2010
Sports Legend
So simple even a DBD can eventually get it (if you point it out to them).
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MO_DUKE IS BANNED Dec 29, 2010
Sports Legend
This thread has officially ended! Go coach K. Congrats on 880
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TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Dec 28, 2010
Sports Legend
Wow, this stupid blog has over 1,000 posts now! WRAL must really love us!
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outroykickme Dec 28, 2010
Sports Legend
^ Can he be blamed for the fact that he hasn't kept pace in national titles since Roy came home?
— Posted by heelman73
22 years head coaching for Roy, 2 titles. (A NT every 11yrs)
35 years head coaching for K, 4 titles. (A NT every 8.75yrs)
What was that about keeping pace again?
— Posted by jrj6950
Let me help out those who don't comprehend English well. "...since Roy came home" means since 2003 (as the comment was about the post-Dean era). So, to re-do the math ...
7 years for Roy, 2 titles (one every 3.5 years)
1 title for k (A NT every 7 yrs)
That might be keeping pace in dook math, but not anywhere else.
— Posted by heelman73Roid has 1.5 titles.....so his rate is 4.666666666 or any other time he is handed a chance to win something important. Plus im not sure they will have these last 2 titles until the NCAA is done with their investagation.......so i think we should just leave it at that for right now.
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Dreamchaser Dec 28, 2010
Sports Legend
Tarheel fans are fun to play with Like cute little babies.
— Posted by sbduke
As opposed to Duke fans that are like ugly old codgers like..... hhhhmmmm...... MO_Duke :) -
MO_DUKE IS BANNED Dec 28, 2010
Sports Legend
Tarheel fans are fun to play with Like cute little babies.
— Posted by sbduke
Yeah, but but you gotta be careful 'cause they are even more likely to pupe on you. :) (wouldn't even let me spell the non-offensive word correctly) -
sbduke Dec 28, 2010
All Star
Tarheel fans are fun to play with Like cute little babies.
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rhowerton Dec 27, 2010
Bench Warmer
"" COACH DEAN SMITH ""
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MO_DUKE IS BANNED Dec 27, 2010
Sports Legend
Two days and counting.
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onyourheels2 Dec 27, 2010
Sports Legend
ghrtp2-well i guess that puts him 1 step ahead of u.
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grasshopperrtp2 Dec 27, 2010
Sports Legend
With every winning game from this point forward.Coach K pulls away from Dean with the most wins.Dean has finally met his true "DADDY".
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Dreamchaser Dec 25, 2010
Sports Legend
Since weve all got our own time frame, let me try my own.
Since 2010:
ACC winning seasons: K-1 Roy-0
ACC regular season championships: K-1 Roy-0
ACC Championships: K-1 Roy-0
NCAA Tourneys: K-1 Roy-0
Final Fours: K-1 Roy-0
National Championships: K-1 Roy-0
NIT appearances: K-0 Roy-1
Disappointing seasons: K-0 Roy-2 (so far)
— Posted by dbd2014
I've away for a couple of days, but, thank goodness, I'm back to correct your errors (it's getting to be a habit).
Since 2010:
ACC winning seasons: K-0 Roy-0
ACC regular season championships: K-0 Roy-0
ACC Championships: K-0 Roy-0
NCAA Tourneys: K-0 Roy-0
Final Fours: K-0 Roy-0
National Championships: K-0 Roy-0
NIT appearances: K-0 Roy-0
Disappointing seasons: K-0 Roy-0
— Posted by heelman73
Very good, I wish I had realized that. You are the man HM73. -
heelman73 Dec 25, 2010
Sports Legend
Since weve all got our own time frame, let me try my own.
Since 2010:
ACC winning seasons: K-1 Roy-0
ACC regular season championships: K-1 Roy-0
ACC Championships: K-1 Roy-0
NCAA Tourneys: K-1 Roy-0
Final Fours: K-1 Roy-0
National Championships: K-1 Roy-0
NIT appearances: K-0 Roy-1
Disappointing seasons: K-0 Roy-2 (so far)
— Posted by dbd2014I've away for a couple of days, but, thank goodness, I'm back to correct your errors (it's getting to be a habit).
Since 2010:
ACC winning seasons: K-0 Roy-0
ACC regular season championships: K-0 Roy-0
ACC Championships: K-0 Roy-0
NCAA Tourneys: K-0 Roy-0
Final Fours: K-0 Roy-0
National Championships: K-0 Roy-0
NIT appearances: K-0 Roy-0
Disappointing seasons: K-0 Roy-0
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dbd2014 Dec 23, 2010
Sports Legend
Since weve all got our own time frame, let me try my own.
Since 2010:
ACC winning seasons: K-1 Roy-0
ACC regular season championships: K-1 Roy-0
ACC Championships: K-1 Roy-0
NCAA Tourneys: K-1 Roy-0
Final Fours: K-1 Roy-0
National Championships: K-1 Roy-0
NIT appearances: K-0 Roy-1
Disappointing seasons: K-0 Roy-2 (so far) -
jrj6950 Dec 23, 2010
Sports Legend
22 years head coaching for Roy, 2 titles. (A NT every 11yrs)
35 years head coaching for K, 4 titles. (A NT every 8.75yrs)
What was that about keeping pace again?
— Posted by jrj6950
Let me help out those who don't comprehend English well. "...since Roy came home" means since 2003 (as the comment was about the post-Dean era). So, to re-do the math ...
7 years for Roy, 2 titles (one every 3.5 years)
1 title for k (A NT every 7 yrs)
That might be keeping pace in dook math, but not anywhere else.
— Posted by heelman73
Hints why I used the term "definitive time frame," which in this case meant 2003. Glad you were able to put that together.
I could care less about the since he came to UNC thing anyways regardless of what you and someone else were discussing, I was just talking about since he has been a head coach. See I don't do the thing where you choose specific dates to make your argument more sound. I enjoy looking at the bigger picture, or total body of work in this case. And in this case, Roy is behind pace.
— Posted by jrj6950
So, regardless of the conversion, you just jumped into the middle of it with totally irrelevant information and expect the discussion to suddenly switch to what you want to talk about? I get it - the Duke way.
— Posted by heelman73Got a problem with that? Then you probably shouldn't be on these forums. In the words of Cartman, "I do what I want." Deal with it, or whine about it. The choice is yours.
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heelman73 Dec 23, 2010
Sports Legend
Odd how we don't want to include Roy's record at Kansas in a discussion about the post-Dean era at UNC, isn't it? We're funny that way. We don't include facts that don't fit the criteria. We know you like to, but that's the Duke Way.
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heelman73 Dec 23, 2010
Sports Legend
^ Can he be blamed for the fact that he hasn't kept pace in national titles since Roy came home?
— Posted by heelman73
22 years head coaching for Roy, 2 titles. (A NT every 11yrs)
35 years head coaching for K, 4 titles. (A NT every 8.75yrs)
What was that about keeping pace again?
— Posted by jrj6950
Let me help out those who don't comprehend English well. "...since Roy came home" means since 2003 (as the comment was about the post-Dean era). So, to re-do the math ...
7 years for Roy, 2 titles (one every 3.5 years)
1 title for k (A NT every 7 yrs)
That might be keeping pace in dook math, but not anywhere else.
— Posted by heelman73
Hints why I used the term "definitive time frame," which in this case meant 2003. Glad you were able to put that together.
I could care less about the since he came to UNC thing anyways regardless of what you and someone else were discussing, I was just talking about since he has been a head coach. See I don't do the thing where you choose specific dates to make your argument more sound. I enjoy looking at the bigger picture, or total body of work in this case. And in this case, Roy is behind pace.
— Posted by jrj6950So, regardless of the conversion, you just jumped into the middle of it with totally irrelevant information and expect the discussion to suddenly switch to what you want to talk about? I get it - the Duke way.
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jrj6950 Dec 23, 2010
Sports Legend
22 years head coaching for Roy, 2 titles. (A NT every 11yrs)
35 years head coaching for K, 4 titles. (A NT every 8.75yrs)
What was that about keeping pace again?
— Posted by jrj6950
Let me help out those who don't comprehend English well. "...since Roy came home" means since 2003 (as the comment was about the post-Dean era). So, to re-do the math ...
7 years for Roy, 2 titles (one every 3.5 years)
1 title for k (A NT every 7 yrs)
That might be keeping pace in dook math, but not anywhere else.
— Posted by heelman73
Someone failed to notice the parts of my post where it clearly reads, "years head coaching," and not "years head coaching at Carolina."
— Posted by jrj6950
And you failed to notice that the comment from Amusedone dealt with the post-Dean era at UNC. All comments since that time, except yours, were limited to the years within that time-frame. "Years head coaching" were irrelevant to that conversation.
— Posted by heelman73Like I said, I could care less about what was stated previously. I'm free to post what I want, when I want, where I want. Just exercising my rights heelman, its all in good fun anyways.
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heelman73 Dec 23, 2010
Sports Legend
^ Can he be blamed for the fact that he hasn't kept pace in national titles since Roy came home?
— Posted by heelman73
22 years head coaching for Roy, 2 titles. (A NT every 11yrs)
35 years head coaching for K, 4 titles. (A NT every 8.75yrs)
What was that about keeping pace again?
— Posted by jrj6950
Let me help out those who don't comprehend English well. "...since Roy came home" means since 2003 (as the comment was about the post-Dean era). So, to re-do the math ...
7 years for Roy, 2 titles (one every 3.5 years)
1 title for k (A NT every 7 yrs)
That might be keeping pace in dook math, but not anywhere else.
— Posted by heelman73
Someone failed to notice the parts of my post where it clearly reads, "years head coaching," and not "years head coaching at Carolina."
— Posted by jrj6950And you failed to notice that the comment from Amusedone dealt with the post-Dean era at UNC. All comments since that time, except yours, were limited to the years within that time-frame. "Years head coaching" were irrelevant to that conversation.
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jrj6950 Dec 23, 2010
Sports Legend
^ Can he be blamed for the fact that he hasn't kept pace in national titles since Roy came home?
— Posted by heelman73
22 years head coaching for Roy, 2 titles. (A NT every 11yrs)
35 years head coaching for K, 4 titles. (A NT every 8.75yrs)
What was that about keeping pace again?
— Posted by jrj6950
Let me help out those who don't comprehend English well. "...since Roy came home" means since 2003 (as the comment was about the post-Dean era). So, to re-do the math ...
7 years for Roy, 2 titles (one every 3.5 years)
1 title for k (A NT every 7 yrs)
That might be keeping pace in dook math, but not anywhere else.
— Posted by heelman73Someone failed to notice the parts of my post where it clearly reads, "years head coaching," and not "years head coaching at Carolina."
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jrj6950 Dec 23, 2010
Sports Legend
^ Can he be blamed for the fact that he hasn't kept pace in national titles since Roy came home?
— Posted by heelman73
22 years head coaching for Roy, 2 titles. (A NT every 11yrs)
35 years head coaching for K, 4 titles. (A NT every 8.75yrs)
What was that about keeping pace again?
— Posted by jrj6950
Let me help out those who don't comprehend English well. "...since Roy came home" means since 2003 (as the comment was about the post-Dean era). So, to re-do the math ...
7 years for Roy, 2 titles (one every 3.5 years)
1 title for k (A NT every 7 yrs)
That might be keeping pace in dook math, but not anywhere else.
— Posted by heelman73Hints why I used the term "definitive time frame," which in this case meant 2003. Glad you were able to put that together.
I could care less about the since he came to UNC thing anyways regardless of what you and someone else were discussing, I was just talking about since he has been a head coach. See I don't do the thing where you choose specific dates to make your argument more sound. I enjoy looking at the bigger picture, or total body of work in this case. And in this case, Roy is behind pace. -
heelman73 Dec 23, 2010
Sports Legend
^ Can he be blamed for the fact that he hasn't kept pace in national titles since Roy came home?
— Posted by heelman73
22 years head coaching for Roy, 2 titles. (A NT every 11yrs)
35 years head coaching for K, 4 titles. (A NT every 8.75yrs)
What was that about keeping pace again?
— Posted by jrj6950Let me help out those who don't comprehend English well. "...since Roy came home" means since 2003 (as the comment was about the post-Dean era). So, to re-do the math ...
7 years for Roy, 2 titles (one every 3.5 years)
1 title for k (A NT every 7 yrs)
That might be keeping pace in dook math, but not anywhere else. -
jrj6950 Dec 23, 2010
Sports Legend
^ Can he be blamed for the fact that he hasn't kept pace in national titles since Roy came home?
— Posted by heelman73
UNC fans got on DBD for using a 27 year span, your doing the same thing here. Using a timeframe that best suits your argument, a common tactic on these forums. And I believe he was referencing those 2 other guys that suxed it up at Carolina.
— Posted by jrj6950
Wrong! I didn't choose a time frame. Amused referenced the coaches since Smith. Obviously, each is independent of the other, so he initiated the reference to three different periods. Two may have been less than stellar. The third obviously is not.
— Posted by heelman73How is "since Roy got to Carolina" not a specific time frame? There is a definitive starting date.
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jrj6950 Dec 23, 2010
Sports Legend
I have no problem with what you did or heelman did really, I was just saying if your going to rag on someone for doing it, then you might not want to use the same strategy.
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heelman73 Dec 23, 2010
Sports Legend
^ Can he be blamed for the fact that he hasn't kept pace in national titles since Roy came home?
— Posted by heelman73
UNC fans got on DBD for using a 27 year span, your doing the same thing here. Using a timeframe that best suits your argument, a common tactic on these forums. And I believe he was referencing those 2 other guys that suxed it up at Carolina.
— Posted by jrj6950Wrong! I didn't choose a time frame. Amused referenced the coaches since Smith. Obviously, each is independent of the other, so he initiated the reference to three different periods. Two may have been less than stellar. The third obviously is not.
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jrj6950 Dec 23, 2010
Sports Legend
^ Can he be blamed for the fact that he hasn't kept pace in national titles since Roy came home?
— Posted by heelman7322 years head coaching for Roy, 2 titles. (A NT every 11yrs)
35 years head coaching for K, 4 titles. (A NT every 8.75yrs)
What was that about keeping pace again? -
jrj6950 Dec 23, 2010
Sports Legend
^ Can he be blamed for the fact that he hasn't kept pace in national titles since Roy came home?
— Posted by heelman73UNC fans got on DBD for using a 27 year span, your doing the same thing here. Using a timeframe that best suits your argument, a common tactic on these forums. And I believe he was referencing those 2 other guys that suxed it up at Carolina.
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heelman73 Dec 23, 2010
Sports Legend
^ Can he be blamed for the fact that he hasn't kept pace in national titles since Roy came home?
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Amusedone Dec 23, 2010
Towel Boy
7 to 2 in the National Coach of the Year Award stats shows that the rest of the country recognizes what UNC fans refuse to admit...
And Coach K still has a couple more years to continue to build his stats...
As for why there was no asterick next to the post-dean era...ALL of the UNC coaches since Dean have had a huge amount of talent on the team as the program is "already built"--Coach K can't be blamed for the fact that UNC has made some poor choices in coaches. -
paulusdevil Dec 22, 2010
Sports Legend
really? so explain why dook fans don't put an asterisk to all those wins and recruits k picked up while Carolina retired a legend at the top of his game(check guthridge's record the next 3 yrs), and a rookie coach struggled until Roy came. K was "established" when Roy came...having won the title in '01...then he disappears in the tournament early for the next 8 yrs while Roy, the rookie in the ACC wins two titles...hmmmm...there's so many examples of advantages K had from 1980 to '99 while LOSING NO TALENT EARLY, while Dean sent multiple future NBA all stars and legends early...jordan, worthy, stackhous, wallace...it was never a level playing field...if Dean kept his players, instead of doing what's best for them, K would have lost even more and maybe a few ACC titles as well...any real fan knows that and even more...won't even get into the fact that Dean for a decade had to win the ACC tournament to even go to the ncaa...but I expect dook fans to believe what they want and retreat to the "too bad" defense...when K breaks the record, he should send a "thank you" note to Dean for retiring and gutting his teams repeatedly...plus those wins at army were a gift...sure that competition was as hard as the ACC...right.Mangum,
You're killing me man. K is a mentor to the whole ACC, seriously? K with his infamous foul mouth and you're talking about someone slamming a hand on a scorer's table. And yes, I know Roy has a foul mouth too. Both of them could do with a soap meal. K is a great coach yes, but not someone who I'd want my child to pattern their behavior after. In truth, there shouldn't be any room for K or Roy's vocal behavior either, but both of them are to the points in their career where the refs and conference officials do nothing about it to the detriment of college basketball.
— Posted by kennywalters
Oh noes! He slammed his hand on the scorers table??!? Your right who wants their child to have that kind of passion. Also, about the head to head; How long had Dean been established? Did the streak go from Dean to K(in the timeline of K's start at Duke). There is a learning curve when starting at a new coaching job(incase you are unaware). Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the series start off 6-Dean 1-K in the first 3 years? Do you always herp when you derp or are you putting on a show for us? I think both coaches were the greatest of their respective eras. However if you are trying to discredit K for language and hand slamming, I have a handful of straw you may grasp at.
— Posted by rx74u2nv
Yeah, i agree. As much as UNC fans tout the head to head, a fact that definitely needs to be considered is that Dean was successful and established when K was (painfully) growing the program and creating the type of team he needed. Congrats to Dean, but surely it would be different if they had concurrent peaks.
— Posted by dbd2014
— Posted by ssjack830Wow, interesting diatribe there. U must be a UNC fan. haha. You do realize that K went to 7-9 FF's and won back to back NC's from the late 80's to mid to early 90's dont you. Do you know who the coach of UNC was at that time? I think you can figure that one out.
And let me ask you this one, because it always confuses me. While Dean had all that talent for all those years, how did he only win two NC's
And when Deano/Old Smoky had to win the ACC tournament, the ACC was bad and Dean didnt lose any players during that decade.
So take your argument and stick it. -
heelman73 Dec 22, 2010
Sports Legend
100 pages and counting, has a consensus been reached yet :)
— Posted by DreamchaserYes, it's Smith by a nose. :-)
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Dreamchaser Dec 22, 2010
Sports Legend
100 pages and counting, has a consensus been reached yet :)
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jrj6950 Dec 22, 2010
Sports Legend
Saw this link today on WRAL. Breaks it down pretty well.
http://www.wralsportsfan.com/colleges/flash/8803695/ -
dbd2014 Dec 20, 2010
Sports Legend
and facts. sorry I'm remembering facts don't enter into your universe. Your honor.really? so explain why dook fans don't put an asterisk to all those wins and recruits k picked up while Carolina retired a legend at the top of his game(check guthridge's record the next 3 yrs), and a rookie coach struggled until Roy came. K was "established" when Roy came...having won the title in '01...then he disappears in the tournament early for the next 8 yrs while Roy, the rookie in the ACC wins two titles...hmmmm...there's so many examples of advantages K had from 1980 to '99 while LOSING NO TALENT EARLY, while Dean sent multiple future NBA all stars and legends early...jordan, worthy, stackhous, wallace...it was never a level playing field...if Dean kept his players, instead of doing what's best for them, K would have lost even more and maybe a few ACC titles as well...any real fan knows that and even more...won't even get into the fact that Dean for a decade had to win the ACC tournament to even go to the ncaa...but I expect dook fans to believe what they want and retreat to the "too bad" defense...when K breaks the record, he should send a "thank you" note to Dean for retiring and gutting his teams repeatedly...plus those wins at army were a gift...sure that competition was as hard as the ACC...right.
— Posted by ssjack830
Just for you I'm having to coin a new word. That diatribe of your's is full of nothing but a litany of "homerisms".
— Posted by MO_DUKE IS BANNED
— Posted by ssjack830
The only fact contained in your blathering tirade is the fact that you have secured the "Homer of the Year Award". Congratulations, it is a well deserved honor; now you can thank all the little people who made it possible and exit stage left.
— Posted by MO_DUKE IS BANNEDIts difficult to find any of his posts as anything but a blathering tirade. Ive learned to just move on to the next post.
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MO_DUKE IS BANNED Dec 20, 2010
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and facts. sorry I'm remembering facts don't enter into your universe. Your honor.really? so explain why dook fans don't put an asterisk to all those wins and recruits k picked up while Carolina retired a legend at the top of his game(check guthridge's record the next 3 yrs), and a rookie coach struggled until Roy came. K was "established" when Roy came...having won the title in '01...then he disappears in the tournament early for the next 8 yrs while Roy, the rookie in the ACC wins two titles...hmmmm...there's so many examples of advantages K had from 1980 to '99 while LOSING NO TALENT EARLY, while Dean sent multiple future NBA all stars and legends early...jordan, worthy, stackhous, wallace...it was never a level playing field...if Dean kept his players, instead of doing what's best for them, K would have lost even more and maybe a few ACC titles as well...any real fan knows that and even more...won't even get into the fact that Dean for a decade had to win the ACC tournament to even go to the ncaa...but I expect dook fans to believe what they want and retreat to the "too bad" defense...when K breaks the record, he should send a "thank you" note to Dean for retiring and gutting his teams repeatedly...plus those wins at army were a gift...sure that competition was as hard as the ACC...right.Yeah, i agree. As much as UNC fans tout the head to head, a fact that definitely needs to be considered is that Dean was successful and established when K was (painfully) growing the program and creating the type of team he needed. Congrats to Dean, but surely it would be different if they had concurrent peaks.
— Posted by dbd2014
— Posted by ssjack830
Just for you I'm having to coin a new word. That diatribe of your's is full of nothing but a litany of "homerisms".
— Posted by MO_DUKE IS BANNED
— Posted by ssjack830
The only fact contained in your blathering tirade is the fact that you have secured the "Homer of the Year Award". Congratulations, it is a well deserved honor; now you can thank all the little people who made it possible and exit stage left.
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